Deepwater Horizon - Transocean Oil Rig Fire

captmrb
Logging While Drilling monitors the hole conditions just above the bit. How do they get the signal back up to the driller? Is it by radio wave sent up the interior of the drillpipe? The drillpipe would make an exceptionally good travelling wave guide. You could have an antenna inside the rotary joint to receive the signal.

I suppose the holy grail of drilling would be to have pressure/temp/fluid property sensors permanently mounted at regular intervals within the borehole. I would like to see silicon chips impregnated within each segmant of casing and drill pipe. You would load into the mud a bunch of smart sensors the size of vitamin pills. As they traveled down to the bottom of the hole, they would record the pressure/temp/ph/whatever. As they passed the embedded chips in each segment of casing or drill pipe, they would remember the conditions at the moment they sensed the presence of a locator chip.
When they fell out on the slaker table you could interrogate them. Hell, you could do that with an interrogator at the well head.

It is just a matter of $$$$$ and how badly they want it.

I did a search of the patent/application literature and there is no reference in any abstract, through out all of history, of the exact term: “down hole pressure sensor”.

Hmmmm

[QUOTE=billslugg;41900]captmrb
Logging While Drilling monitors the hole conditions just above the bit. How do they get the signal back up to the driller? Is it by radio wave sent up the interior of the drillpipe? The drillpipe would make an exceptionally good travelling wave guide. You could have an antenna inside the rotary joint to receive the signal.

I suppose the holy grail of drilling would be to have pressure/temp/fluid property sensors permanently mounted at regular intervals within the borehole. I would like to see silicon chips impregnated within each segmant of casing and drill pipe. You would load into the mud a bunch of smart sensors the size of vitamin pills. As they traveled down to the bottom of the hole, they would record the pressure/temp/ph/whatever. As they passed the embedded chips in each segment of casing or drill pipe, they would remember the conditions at the moment they sensed the presence of a locator chip.
When they fell out on the slaker table you could interrogate them. Hell, you could do that with an interrogator at the well head.

It is just a matter of $$$$$ and how badly they want it.

I did a search of the patent/application literature and there is no reference in any abstract, through out all of history, of the exact term: “down hole pressure sensor”.

Hmmmm[/QUOTE]

Weatherford Permanent Downhole Monitoring
http://www.ep-weatherford.com/PDF/Literature/L_Permanent_Downhole_Monitoring.pdf

Measurement While Drilling Primer

Data transmission methods
[B]Mud pulse telemetry[/B]

[B]Electromagnetic telemetry [/B]

[B]Wired Drill Pipe[/B]

[B]Retrievable tools[/B]

[B][/B]

Halliburton Dynalink Telemetry Systems

http://www.halliburton.com/ps/Default.aspx?navid=737&pageid=4023

Dynalink Multimedia Presentation
http://www.halliburton.com/public/ts/contents/Multimedia/web/DynaLink.wmv

Thank you infomania. I still have not found what I am looking for. Weatherford is strictly or use after the hole has been drilled and relies on a cable to get the info back to the surface, MWD is for use while drilling but conveys information only from one depth. Mud pulse telemetry ditto. EM telemetry and wired drill pipe only go a few thousand feet sometimes. Dynalink is a sensor that is clamped on to the side of a drill pipe and audio communicates with the surface. It could not seal in an annular. I want a sensor that can be located every 10 feet or so in a borehole that will tell me Temp/Press/etc in the annulus, in the DP, in the casing all at the same time, while drilling, with a high quality data linkage to the surface. A guy would be able to stand at a computer screen and see the entire well, with all of its conditions spelled out clearly. No more guessing.

More valuable stuff, thanks, Infomania.

It’s interesting to note that the only mention of “safety” in the links appears to be in the Weatherford material, and that only in passing.

I’m afraid the existence of this technology doesn’t do much to improve my opinion of the industry/regulatory complex. I get the following picture:

  1. The rig was performing an operation that had a nonzero probability of a catastrophic event. We know this because there was a catastrophic event.

  2. The transition from a safe to unsafe state occurred because hydrocarbons got where they weren’t supposed to be.

  3. Industry practice is to detect the safe-to-unsafe transition indirectly through pressure readings. In the event in question, this practice proved inadequate.

  4. Technology may exist to back up the indirect detection of a transition from safe to unsafe state with direct sensing and transmission of an alarm to the operators. This technology was not (has never been ?) applied to the operation that was underway when the catastrophic event occurred.

The remaining question (assuming the above is correct, which may not be the case) is why a feasible alarm system was not (ever has been?) deployed or considered. If the answer is “costs too much” then the image of an industry that spends as little as possible on safety is reinforced.

Cheers,

Earl

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As much as you dont’ want to believe in the report, it seems very real from what I know. I’ve stayed out of t[/QUOTE]

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Have you no thanks??

Earl in italics
[I]
3. Industry practice is to detect the safe-to-unsafe transition indirectly through pressure readings. In the event in question, this practice proved inadequate. [/I]

What they had was disagreement between the pressure sensor at the choke line and the pressure sensor at the drill pipe. They had 1400 psi yelling at them and they chose to ignore it. Put a flowmeter downhole and they would have ignored it too.

[I]…why a feasible alarm system was not (ever has been?) deployed or considered. [/I]

The technology does not exist to be able to position sensors downhole that can:

  1. Stay out of the way
  2. Communicate with the surface

infomania, please IM me, at your convenience, I need to clarify a misunderstanding ,<my oil well in ma back yawd is backing up in ma bathroom>

billslugg wrote:
“I want a sensor that can be located every 10 feet or so in a borehole that will tell me Temp/Press/etc in the annulus, in the DP, in the casing all at the same time, while drilling, with a high quality data linkage to the surface.”
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so you would like 1,336 sensors in the annular space of the tapered 7 X 9 7/8" casing string?

i.e. 18,360 - 5,000 =13,360 / 10 = 1,336 sensors

Additionally, what about the annular space between all the other casing strings,do you want those monitored every 10’ also?
i.e. between the 18’ and the 22"; between the 16" and the 18"; between the 13 5/8" and the 16"; between the 11 7/8" and the 13 5/8" and between the 9 7/8" and the 11 7/8".

I am probably misunderstanding your concept, please clarify.

Earl Boebart wrote:
“The remaining question (assuming the above is correct, which may not be the case) is why a feasible alarm system was not (ever has been?) deployed or considered. If the answer is “costs too much” then the image of an industry that spends as little as possible on safety is reinforced.”
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http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100512/Halliburton-Last.Two.Hours.Chart.pdf

in my opinion there were signs, especially the pit volume change that might have been indicating a problem.
Pressure and flow may be “indirect” as you say. If you have ever cracked open a valve on a well with 4-5,000 PSI on it you will hear and feel indicators that are damn direct to your senses.

[QUOTE=billslugg;41951]
The technology does not exist to be able to position sensors downhole that can:

  1. Stay out of the way
  2. Communicate with the surface[/QUOTE]

Sounds like an R&D project to me. Now the question is, why hasn’t it been started? Money again?

Cheers,

Earl

[QUOTE=Infomania;41957]
in my opinion there were signs, especially the pit volume change that might have been indicating a problem.
Pressure and flow may be “indirect” as you say. If you have ever cracked open a valve on a well with 4-5,000 PSI on it you will hear and feel indicators that are damn direct to your senses.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I’m sure, and I have the deepest respect for people who work in such environments. I meant “indirect” in the sense that an operator is expected to correlate readings from several indicators and deduce that immediate action is required. This has been shown, here and elsewhere, to be a pretty iffy proposition. It’s much better to have a simple, robust alarm that directly reads the state of interest (hydrocarbons where they shouldn’t be) and delivers an unmistakable message to the operator.

Cheers,

Earl

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Have you no thanks??[/QUOTE]

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The first integrity test has been performed through the drill pipe. All sorts of issues arose from this regarding The Annular not sealing and Spacer dropping back down into the well. The integrity test was considered to be incorrectly performed. A meeting takes place between the Wellsite Leader and the crew. So the following is happening at this time (was a valve still open allowing fluids to enter the well?):

The point of interest is from 1730 to 1805 hrs. A gain is taking place and no pressure is recorded on DP or on the cement unit. No pumping is taking place. But, gas indication suggests ‘returns’ are through the Header box/Flowline. Nothing else is happening apart from a very large gain in the Active system. Are we lined up incorrectly while all are having a discussion about the integrity test requirement through the Kill line?
The gain is over 250 Bbls. Based on the indication of gas in the returns this has to be from the well, either up the drill pipe or up the Kill line.
This cannot be passed over as ‘cleaning the trip tank’. There wouldn’t be a gas indication.

I guess we can all be happy,that BP did not screw up as bad, as thought…guess,maybe, they will get the jail house Penthouse after all.

Nice reading on deep oil,for some of our new guys http://www.energypulse.net/centers/article/article_display.cfm?a_id=232

[QUOTE=Infomania;41954]billslugg wrote:
so you would like 1,336 sensors in the annular space of the tapered 7 X 9 7/8" casing string?
i.e. 18,360 - 5,000 =13,360 / 10 = 1,336 sensors
Additionally, what about the annular space between all the other casing strings,do you want those monitored every 10’ also?
I am probably misunderstanding your concept, please clarify.[/QUOTE]

Obviously, these sensors would not be wired. I see them incorporated into the casing during manufacture. They would be nothing bigger than an rfid chip. The engineers have to go look at the cross section of the casing and the drill pipe and then find or create an area that can be cut out of the steel in such a way that the strength of the system is not reduced. That spot is probably in the heavy coupling at the end of a length of drill pipe, but casing is different, there is not an area that is not already used for strength. They will have to design in a cavity somewhere, probably by lengthening the coupling.
They would be powered by acoustics, temperature differential and strain. There are plastics (Kynar) that are exceptionally good at converting all forms of energy into electricity, in tiny tiny amounts. You take a 6" square piece, it has an aluminum coating on both sides, and glue it to a surface. Noise, heat, pounding, stretching, anything makes electricity. The film responds over 11 magnitudes of force. If a chunk of this stuff were incorporated into a drill string, then the ambient energy would allow a tiny amount of electricity.

They would communicate by radio, never having to send a signal more than 10 feet makes the power supply not so much of an issue. They are autonomous. That is, once they are impregnated at the factory, you never have to do anything again EXCEPT somebody has to keep track of which segment of casing is where. You would have to do an initial setup telling the computer in which order you stuck them down there and exactly where each one ended up.

If fixed within the casing, they then become fixed beacons that other beacons can reference to. A tiny pill that you pumped through the system would be able to tell you that it encountered nothing but oil as it passed location beacons #56 all the way up to #74. That, of course would be a belated bit of info. When the oil reached any given sensor, the sensor would remember it and then try and send a signal to any other sensor within range. They would all cooperate to get the signal to the surface as quickly as possible. You could even have real time information by simply insuring you have a pill every 10 feet or so in the flowing stream of mud. Data could hopscotch its way to the top using only sensors in the mud giving you real time on the spot data, right up until you turn the mud pumps off of course!! You would tailor make sensors to be neutrally buoyant in any mud needed. Then they would pretty much stay put for a while. Another place to put sensors is into the wall of the borehole. That can be done as you POOH with a special tool that was added to the string. No additional trips. You put a big battery in these units - good for 10 years. They look through the borehole with gamma rays and x-rays and tell you the density at that point, the exact flow rate, and how many atoms of what element is there. They could also relay messages.

The keys to success are that these things do not get in the way of drilling, and they do not complicate the drilling. You cannot show up on the drilling rig as a new engineer, and show a bunch of drillers a bunch of casing you just shipped to them with little tiny connectors that have to be attached at the joint between each section of casing. Not me bro. I’d dive off the side of the ship before I would try that!

I want to tell them. Your job is to keep track of which order you put the casing sections in. Also, every day pour another bucket of these pills in. Then go over to the display and you will see a picture of your well and exactly what is exactly where. They would like that.

Re: billsluggs 5629: I’m not sure it’s necessary to keep track of the order of the casing sections; protocols exist that enable autonomous elements to self-organize an end to end communications path.

Cheers,

Earl

[QUOTE=billslugg;41990]Obviously, these sensors would not be wired. I see them incorporated into the casing during manufacture. They would be nothing bigger than an rfid chip. The engineers have to go look at the cross section of the casing and the drill pipe and then find or create an area that can be cut out of the steel in such a way that the strength of the system is not reduced. That spot is probably in the heavy coupling at the end of a length of drill pipe, but casing is different, there is not an area that is not already used for strength. They will have to design in a cavity somewhere, probably by lengthening the coupling.
They would be powered by acoustics, temperature differential and strain. There are plastics (Kynar) that are exceptionally good at converting all forms of energy into electricity, in tiny tiny amounts. You take a 6" square piece, it has an aluminum coating on both sides, and glue it to a surface. Noise, heat, pounding, stretching, anything makes electricity. The film responds over 11 magnitudes of force. If a chunk of this stuff were incorporated into a drill string, then the ambient energy would allow a tiny amount of electricity.

They would communicate by radio, never having to send a signal more than 10 feet makes the power supply not so much of an issue. They are autonomous. That is, once they are impregnated at the factory, you never have to do anything again EXCEPT somebody has to keep track of which segment of casing is where. You would have to do an initial setup telling the computer in which order you stuck them down there and exactly where each one ended up.

If fixed within the casing, they then become fixed beacons that other beacons can reference to. A tiny pill that you pumped through the system would be able to tell you that it encountered nothing but oil as it passed location beacons #56 all the way up to #74. That, of course would be a belated bit of info. When the oil reached any given sensor, the sensor would remember it and then try and send a signal to any other sensor within range. They would all cooperate to get the signal to the surface as quickly as possible. You could even have real time information by simply insuring you have a pill every 10 feet or so in the flowing stream of mud. Data could hopscotch its way to the top using only sensors in the mud giving you real time on the spot data, right up until you turn the mud pumps off of course!! You would tailor make sensors to be neutrally buoyant in any mud needed. Then they would pretty much stay put for a while. Another place to put sensors is into the wall of the borehole. That can be done as you POOH with a special tool that was added to the string. No additional trips. You put a big battery in these units - good for 10 years. They look through the borehole with gamma rays and x-rays and tell you the density at that point, the exact flow rate, and how many atoms of what element is there. They could also relay messages.

The keys to success are that these things do not get in the way of drilling, and they do not complicate the drilling. You cannot show up on the drilling rig as a new engineer, and show a bunch of drillers a bunch of casing you just shipped to them with little tiny connectors that have to be attached at the joint between each section of casing. Not me bro. I’d dive off the side of the ship before I would try that!

I want to tell them. Your job is to keep track of which order you put the casing sections in. Also, every day pour another bucket of these pills in. Then go over to the display and you will see a picture of your well and exactly what is exactly where. They would like that.[/QUOTE]

The costs involved make this a non-starter. This production casing will have oil flowing through it, that’s the eventual intention. There have been over 20,000 wells drilled without any problem with the customary method of pressure and volume control. There’s no need to exaggerate what occurred on this well. Pressure and volume control were absent.
Yeah! There was a failing component in the well. Pressure and volume control reveals all failings…if anyone cares to interpret the data.
This is a very simple case of the BP Co Man offshore and the TO Leaders failing to understand what was going on, what all the data was showing. The failures are clear. No-one on the rig understood what was happening. Meantime, the innocent R/N’s, Derrickman and Mud Engineers were hoping for some leadership. It didn’t come from BP and it didn’t come from TO offshore personnel.

Quotes from alcor in italics:

[I]The costs involved make this a non-starter. This production casing will have oil flowing through it, that’s the eventual intention.[/I]

Thus reinforcing my impression of the relative importance of safety in this industry.

[I]There have been over 20,000 wells drilled without any problem with the customary method of pressure and volume control.[/I]

Recommended reading: “The Black Swan” by Nassem Nicholas Taleb.

[I]There’s no need to exaggerate what occurred on this well. Pressure and volume control were absent.
[/I]

As was any backup system to notify operators of a pending catastrophe.

[I]Yeah! There was a failing component in the well. Pressure and volume control reveals all failings…if anyone cares to interpret the data.
[/I]

Could you provide us with a reference to a Failure Effects Analysis or other engineering paper that supports your assertion?

[I]This is a very simple case of the BP Co Man offshore and the TO Leaders failing to understand what was going on, what all the data was showing. The failures are clear. No-one on the rig understood what was happening. Meantime, the innocent R/N’s, Derrickman and Mud Engineers were hoping for some leadership. It didn’t come from BP and it didn’t come from TO offshore personnel.[/I]

I would be very interested to hear from individuals who have lived through similar emergencies on these rigs how such leadership manifests itself. I’ve studied more than a few crew interactions in in-flight emergencies and I’d really like to know what the expected responses are when the heat is on.

Cheers,

Earl

[QUOTE=Earl Boebert;42022]Quotes from alcor in italics:

[I]The costs involved make this a non-starter. This production casing will have oil flowing through it, that’s the eventual intention.[/I]

Thus reinforcing my impression of the relative importance of safety in this industry.

[B]It’s always been there. There is nothing more for a driller and logger to do than observe the well’s volumes, pressure, and other guages while drilling. The science is simple. The effort of drilling these wells is enormous. Safety, was never compromised on this well, until Negative tests were performed to evaluate whether or not all components of the well could withstand the reduction in hydrostatic pressure, the removal of the weighted mud and replacing it with SW. This test is a rudimentary test. It has been performed on 20,000 wells without incident. Naturally, the test will have highlighted the very same deficiecies as the Macondo well, a failure, and immediate action takes place to ensure hydrostatic pressure is put back in place to combat the signs of failure. This well spoke of failure. No-one was listening. This well had to take an influx of approx 600 to 900 Bbls of oil/gas into the well, and no-one reacted. Not BP reps, and not TO personell incharge of watching the operation. This well did not offer the oil/gas in one super ‘flow’. It happened over a period of time. It happened because no-one was able to interpret the pressure charts, coupled with mistakes made during the Negative tests. If you aren’t an offshore worker, or engineer, you’ll need to sit down for about the next 3 years to understand what is and isn’t possible.[/B]

[I]There have been over 20,000 wells drilled without any problem with the customary method of pressure and volume control.[/I]

Recommended reading: “The Black Swan” by Nassem Nicholas Taleb.

[B]If that’s an answer, here is my question![/B]

[I]There’s no need to exaggerate what occurred on this well. Pressure and volume control were absent.[/I]

As was any backup system to notify operators of a pending catastrophe.

[B]What is currently in place to defend against a well blowout? The driller’s console, the logger’s console, the TP and BP co Man’s consoles. All are watching real time what’s going on in the well. The driller and logger are communicating constantly, and the logger is supposed to put comments on the live charts describing the action occurring on the rig. The charts offered to us show no comments. The question needs to be asked, was the logger watching or even there? Nevertheless, there are supposed to be competent Driller, TP, BP Co Man observing trends in the well, particularly the pressure and volume trends. If they can’t work out that a massive gain has taken place on the rig (1730-1805 hrs if you wish to check the charts), then this well was doomed from day one. So what went wrong? Simple enough, no-one was able to understand that the well was flowing, nothing unusual in the offshore industry, but action should have been taken immediately. As for back-up systems many companies have onshore personnel watching the real time charts to observe what’s going on. In this case, even their interpretations were wrong. So, the question has to be asked was this some sort of GOM interpretation of how to commission a well? I’m still wondering![/B]

[I]Yeah! There was a failing component in the well. Pressure and volume control reveals all failings…if anyone cares to interpret the data.[/I]

Could you provide us with a reference to a Failure Effects Analysis or other engineering paper that supports your assertion?

[B]I can offer you my experience of interpretation. Have a look at the BP Charts on the activity occurring between 1730 and 1805 hrs. Notice the gain in the Active volume (250 Bbls +). No pumps are running. No cement pump is running, and yet, there is clear indication of gas in the return volumes which discounts any cleaning of the trip tank. I believe a valve is open while a discussion concerning the correct way to conduct a Negative Test is occurring. I’m not 100% sure if the drill crew are changing over at this point, but it appears no-one is observing the 250 + Bbls entering the pits…from where? Either through the Kill line or through the DP. It’s my own personal assertion, but if you’d care to have a look:[/B]
[B]http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/downloads_pdfs/Deepwater_Horizon_Accident_Investigation_Report_Appendices_CDE.pdf[/B]

[I]This is a very simple case of the BP Co Man offshore and the TO Leaders failing to understand what was going on, what all the data was showing. The failures are clear. No-one on the rig understood what was happening. Meantime, the innocent R/N’s, Derrickman and Mud Engineers were hoping for some leadership. It didn’t come from BP and it didn’t come from TO offshore personnel.[/I]

I would be very interested to hear from individuals who have lived through similar emergencies on these rigs how such leadership manifests itself. I’ve studied more than a few crew interactions in in-flight emergencies and I’d really like to know what the expected responses are when the heat is on.

Cheers,

Earl[/QUOTE]

[B]Who is in charge of monitoring the volumes and pressure in the well? The TP and the driller. They direct their men to line up for tests and take the responsibility that this has been achieved.[/B]
[B]The Co Man, observes the tests taking place.[/B]
[B]In this particular case, the Annular did not seal, meaning the testing would be affected by High Viscosity weighted Spacer falling back down into the well past the Annular (no volume is confirmed, though 60 Bbls has been established as a guide!!!). So, now we have weighted spacer in the well. And it was considered ok to continue with the testing, by BP, I presume. The second test provided zero flow through the Kill Line, and 1400 psi on the DP pressure guage. The guage would have read zero if the test was conducted without the Spacer in place. Unfortunately, becausew no flow came up the kill line, it was considered a good test. Since then, arguements have ensued over whether or not the Kill line was open to atmosphere or whether or not the Kill line was plugged with the spacer fluid.[/B]
[B]Bottom line for me, the well was flowing and no-one noticed. So, everyone considered the well integrity to be good. Until, pleas from the Mud pump room to reduce pump rates due to being unable to handle the returning mud from the well (the well was unloading and gas was expanding). The charts clearly show evidence of the flow and inconsistent pressure (rising pressure on the guages), of course this was much later, and by then we had a well full of hydrocarbons without anyone realising.[/B]