Deepwater Horizon - Transocean Oil Rig Fire

[QUOTE=27182;40464]Now with regard to the BOP, there are two pieces of DP in it, as I already said in a post to you on Page 202. There may also be a casing in the bottom half. One more thing about the BOP. They didn’t try to activate it (the shear rams, EDS) until after loss of (hydraulic) power on the rig. That left only what was stored in the accumulator. It obviously wasn’t enough.[/QUOTE]

If casing is in the BOP then that is only possible if it somehow expanded…

I tried to figure out from the mudloggers chart ( http://www.deepwaterinvestigation.com/posted/3043/089_BP_Exploration_project_string.820883.pdf ) whether the DP Rams in the BOP or annular were closed (these should be closed first before the shear rams!). Alf, can you figure out what happened between 2100hrs and when the chart goes off? There is a huge spike in Stand Pipe (= Drill Pipe pressure) at the end but that just may be when the chart lost power. If it is an increase in Drill Pipe Pressure it is because the DP Rams or annular were successfully closed.

I actually just now looked at this chart which is clearer:
http://www.deepwaterinvestigation.com/posted/3043/091_Logging_Data_20APR10.820875.pdf
Wow, here is a definite increase in Drill Pipe Pressure towards the end which means the pipe rams or annualr were closed. Why then did the crew not contain the kick?

NOT the macondo well.

Oil spewing from well near Louisiana marsh

Edit: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/07/27/new-leak-found-on-gulf-coast/

[QUOTE=ExCompanyMan;40493]
[I][B]I tried to figure out from the mudloggers chart[/B][/I] ( http://www.deepwaterinvestigation.com/posted/3043/089_BP_Exploration_project_string.820883.pdf ) whether the DP Rams in the BOP or annular were closed (these should be closed first before the shear rams!). Alf, can you figure out what happened between 2100hrs and when the chart goes off? There is a huge spike in Stand Pipe (= Drill Pipe pressure) at the end but that just may be when the chart lost power. If it is an increase in Drill Pipe Pressure it is because the DP Rams or annular were successfully closed.

[B][I]I actually just now looked at this chart[/I][/B] which is clearer:
http://www.deepwaterinvestigation.com/posted/3043/091_Logging_Data_20APR10.820875.pdf
Wow, here is a definite increase in Drill Pipe Pressure towards the end which means the pipe rams or annualr were closed. Why then did the crew not contain the kick?[/QUOTE]

[B]The first chart you ref[/B] is absolutely cr#p in terms of quality! 14 hours condensed onto an A4 page pretty much. There is lots of averaging and it’s an extremely poor quality jpeg log. Compare it to the “last 2 hours Halliburton log” that was presented to the Senate Committee and you’ll understand what I mean.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100512/Halliburton-Last.Two.Hours.Chart.pdf

I made a post (#1428 way back in May) where I tried to identify the events of that last 2 hours Halliburton log… I made numerous assumptions at the time due to lack of info/data etc… but here it is

This analysis ([B]your second ref’ed doc[/B]) was produced by a bp investigation (I believe)…!!?
[B]http://www.deepwaterinvestigation.com/posted/3043/091_Logging_Data_20APR10.820875.pdf[/B]
It gives an insight… but just how reliable is it… I don’t know?

"[I][B]which means the pipe rams or annular were closed.[/B][/I]"
Yes & no. Looking at various photos from that night, I believe they very likely did close in the BOP. There is evidence of flames from both the diverter line and the poorboy degasser line.
(However, there is a possibility also that the diverter line may have been plumbed into the poorboy???)
I just have no idea which it was.

"[I][B]Why then did the crew not contain the kick?[/B][/I]"
By the time they finally realised something was wrong (my speculation!)… it was already in the riser, near the top of it and… well you know what happens next. Just too late to do much.

Could they have seen it coming sooner… well, you tell me.
The chart suggests that perhaps they could have seen it earlier, but then if they were doing too many other things at the same time, or had a poor displacement plan, or had computer problems, or if they were missled by Bull S#it, or if… or if…or…

… I just don’t know, and don’t want to speculate. (In my view, there just isn’t enough solid data available to us to make real concrete conclusions).

[QUOTE=alvis;40501]NOT the macondo well.

Oil spewing from well near Louisiana marsh

[RIGHT] Edit: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/07/27/new-leak-found-on-gulf-coast/[/RIGHT]
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[LEFT]Joke alert. I heard a BP engineer estimated the flow of this one at about six teaspoons per week.

Now, for serious. Here’s a ppt that explains some more details about BOPs. Not directly related to the DWH, informational post ya know.
http://www.pe.tamu.edu/schubert/public_html/Pemex%20Offshore%20Drilling/4.%20BOPs%20and%20Their%20Control.ppt
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[QUOTE=Alf;40507][B]The first chart you ref[/B] is absolutely cr#p in terms of quality! 11 hours condensed onto an A4 page pretty much. There is lots of averaging and an it’s extremely poor quality jpeg log. Compare it to the “last 2 hours Halliburton log” that was presented to the Senate Committee and you’ll understand what I mean.[/QUOTE]Can any lawyer types that might be lurking tell me, Is it deliberate? What’s the reason for using (low resolution) pictures of [B]electronic[/B] documents that have been printed?

Originally Posted by ExCompanyMan
Why then did the crew not contain the kick?
A couple of pics that may help explain my reasoning etc…?
gCaptain Forum

[QUOTE=Alf;40510]A couple of pics that may help explain my reasoning etc…? [/QUOTE]

THanks.

Yeah, 5000’ of riser filled with gas above closed rams/annular may not have helped; hell, they may have thought that nothing had closed when they got the slug, gone back to the control panel and cycled/openend the rams/annular again making the situation worse …

The fact that the gas ignited so quickly is really too bad. Maybe if everything had shut down on the first alarm it would not. During one of the blowouts I experienced a rig was for a full day in a gas cloud (and then ignited). Was on a land rig after a casing cement job (as well!) and the rig hands ‘forgot’ to close the annular side outlets. TOC did not cover all the hydrocarbons, and after loosing some mud in the annulus the hydrocarbons came to surface big time. When they noticed they tried to close the side outlets but the cellar was too deep…

[QUOTE=27182;40509]Can any lawyer types that might be lurking tell me, Is it deliberate? What’s the reason for using (low resolution) pictures of [B]electronic[/B] documents that have been printed?[/QUOTE]

27182,

I would be most interested in looking at the way the same group recorded the same data for the day before, and a random date in March. If the same kind of record, grrr, complain about yet more corner cutting, even in data collection/recording etc. If different…

A good summary on the impacts of the incident on domestic drilling:
http://www.ods-petrodata.com/downloads/DeepwaterHorizonMay2010.pdf

[QUOTE=dell;40517]27182,

I would be most interested in looking at the way the same group recorded the same data for the day before, and a random date in March. If the same kind of record, grrr, complain about yet more corner cutting, even in data collection/recording etc. If different…[/QUOTE]

Sorry if this is a bit long…

[B]Mud Logging Data[/B]

[B][I]Some quick background[/I].[/B] It’s usual for mudloggers to have numerous sensors monitoring different parameters associated with the drilling operation. (probably 20 to 30 in total). The idea being to have an independant monitoring system to the rig’s own sensors. Data from these sensors is recorded realtime at a frequency of less than 1 minute intervals. (don’t know how this logging unit was set up), and is stored on the mudlogging unit computer on the rig.
It is usual to have at least 2x sensors on the choke manifold one monitoring kill line and one choke line pressures. Plus, one on each mud pump recording strokes (ie volume pumped which =flow in), 2x on the gumbo-box/flow-line out monitoring Flow Out and Gas Units and several monitoring various pit levels. There are numerous other sensors as can bee seen from the charts.
How accurate is the data that’s recorded depends on when and how often the sensors are calibrated and checked. It should be done regularly at least every day.
How accurately does the data match the data recorded by the rig’s own sensors… it should match closely but there will be differences in values.

Outside of the mudlogging unit that data is displayed on a screen in at least 2 or 3 places around the rig… Company Man office, Driller’s shack and Toolpushers office. What data gets displayed depends on what that individual wants to see. The mudloggers have numerous standard display formats, or you can have your own format showing just a subset of the data. Scales can also be adjusted as you wish. There are too many sensors to display on one screen all at once, so there would be various subset displays depending on what operation/sensors you wanted to monitor.

[B][I]Data back to town[/I][/B]. As above, bp also had a screen in town. How much of the real time data set do they have and is it stored on their computer also, I don’t know, but logic would say yes. Like wise it appears Halliburton in town also have a full data set. (reason behind this is the initial 2 hour log was presented by Halliburton to the senate committee, and I believe the 14 hour log was presented by bp to the USCG committee/MMS). Maybe someone with a mudlogging background can answer this better.
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[I]Who owns that mudlogging data?[/I][/B] [B]dell[/B] can most likely answer this better than I can, but bp’s contract with halliburton would have a clause in it somewhere with words to the effect that “all data collected on the well belongs to bp”.

So back to the charts…
one quick interesting comparison. Right hand most column on both logs shows “Cem Pump Press” (Cement Pump Pressure). On the initial 2 hour log, that column was blank. On the 14 hour log there is a black/dark green? data trace.

On the 2 hour log there are 2 headings “Choke Press #1” & “…#2”. Are these choke and kill line pressure sensors? Strangely they are not shown on the 14 hour log.

On both logs only “Pit Vol Chg” is shown. No indication of what pit sensors were combined to give this total reading, and also no readings from individual pits.
Lots of other data is not shown which possibly could be shown.

Is the data that’s presented being sensored?? Draw your own conclusions.

[QUOTE=ExCompanyMan;40516]… During [B]one of the blowouts[/B] I experienced …[/QUOTE]

maybe your the wrong person to talk to… ha hah haahh!

ps…Can I suggest some training…?
http://www.pe.tamu.edu/schubert/public_html/PETE%20406/Well%20Control/Well%20Control%20Simulator/

pps…I’m just joking around ExCompanyMan

Dell, this is so technical, and the data is so important, how can their be a fair trial? { we would need you guys, explaining a lot for sure}

[QUOTE=Alf;40533]maybe your the wrong person to talk to… ha hah haahh!

ps…Can I suggest some training…?
http://www.pe.tamu.edu/schubert/public_html/PETE%20406/Well%20Control/Well%20Control%20Simulator/[/QUOTE]
darn, can’t download the simulator, just the pdf’s. alwase wanted to ‘play’ with the MP’s and BOP the way we did with joystick tripping pipe with the cyberchair and PHS simulator
can you say “blue screen of death”, the crews of the deepwater ships can

careful… your beginning to show your age!!!

can you say “blue screen of death”, the crews of the deepwater ships can
yes I can. I know a lot(?) about the inadequacies of “Microcrap software”.

More importantly though, is this a very common problem on 5th/6th generation DP vessels/rigs?

[QUOTE=Alf;40540]careful… your beginning to show your age!!!

yes I can. I know a lot(?) about the inadequacies of “Microcrap software”.

More importantly though, is this a very common problem on 5th/6th generation DP vessels/rigs?[/QUOTE]

Last NOV i was on still had a HMI running under MS windows and it was just built, good question. Anyone out there seen a HMI on that didn’t run on windows?
It should be pointed out that when the HMI goes dead for a chair you just loose the display, never seen the PLC go down so the Driller still has control of the DW, TD and MP’s. That’s why there is a good old WOB gage tied to the Dead Man outside the window of all these rigs.

Some interesting observations coming up on doomers.us forum… Check pages 494 & 495
http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php?topic=68178.7410

lots of questions/complaints about video distribution quality. And yet more leaks/bubbles now evident?

ps…and by the way…
[I]Die [B]Gestalt[/B][/I] is a German word for form or shape. It is used in English to refer to a concept of 'wholeness’
Gestalt psychology (or Gestalt theory), a theory of mind and brain, describing the [I]Gestalt effect[/I].

pps… ROV feeds…
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/BP-Wall.htm

Skandi ROV 2 is watching something??

[QUOTE=Alf;40542]Some interesting observations coming up on doomers.us forum… Check pages 494 & 495
http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php?topic=68178.7410

lots of questions/complaints about video distribution quality. And yet more leaks/bubbles now evident?

ps…and by the way…
[I]Die [B]Gestalt[/B][/I] is a German word for form or shape. It is used in English to refer to a concept of 'wholeness’
Gestalt psychology (or Gestalt theory), a theory of mind and brain, describing the [I]Gestalt effect[/I].

pps… ROV feeds…
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/BP-Wall.htm

Skandi ROV 2 is watching something??[/QUOTE]

Alf, thanks for the link; amazing ROV feeds; how about the crater around the wellhead!!!

Goethe wrote a lot about die Gestalt. Pick up one of his books if you like to know more about it! :slight_smile:

That blowout was actually the only one I was involved in…; what ever happened to Boots and Coots who helped us out? Are they still around?

[QUOTE=Alf;40540]yes I can. I know a lot(?) about the inadequacies of “Microcrap software”.
More importantly though, is this a very common problem on 5th/6th generation DP vessels/rigs?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=kwCharlie;40541]Last NOV i was on still had a HMI running under MS windows and it was just built, good question. Anyone out there seen a HMI on that didn’t run on windows?
It should be pointed out that when the HMI goes dead for a chair you just loose the display, never seen the PLC go down so the Driller still has control of the DW, TD and MP’s. That’s why there is a good old WOB gage tied to the Dead Man outside the window of all these rigs.[/QUOTE]
I agree with kwCharlie that a properly designed PLC system won’t be affected if an HMI/operator panel goes down. I would be interested to know if there was a non-Windows system on any rig.

I’ll spare you all the propaganda and just suggest that anyone who is interested give Ubuntu Linux a try. Since this isn’t really the proper forum for this, feel free to PM me with any questions you might have.

Download Ubuntu Linux here - http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop

B&C still have a big office here in Houston, i havn’t seen them on a rig in 20 years either, thank God

[QUOTE=27182;40554] * * * I’ll spare you all the propaganda and just suggest that anyone who is interested give Ubuntu Linux a try. Since this isn’t really the proper forum for this, feel free to PM me with any questions you might have.

Download Ubuntu Linux here - http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop[/QUOTE]

I heartily concur–with one caveat. 27182’s link goes to the desktop edition. If you’re using a netbook, get the netbook edition–it’s optimized for the itsy-bitsy screen.

The forums also provide quick answers, even for newbies.