If all they needed to do was undo some bolts and bolt another BOP on it, then why the hell did they wait 3 months to do it?
[QUOTE=alcor;39686]This observation is very important:
BP reports that it circulated only 342 barrels before cementing, which is about half of the casing volume. Their report implies that pre-cementing circulation plus the mud displacement that occurred during the cement job accomplished a bottoms up to a point above the wellhead, but not all the way to the rig. This would have left any hydrocarbons flushed out of the hole lingering at the riser bottom.
BP’s pumping was less than industry best practices and, according to comments made by a Halliburton attorney during a hearing, they circulated “significantly” less than Halliburton had recommended for the job.
BP has not explained their rationale for the shortened circulation but possible explanations are that they were concerned that prolonged circulation would disturb the LCM barrier, or the gentle pumping rates planned for the circulation would have taken several hours to do a bottoms up, which may have been more time than they were willing to spend. Whatever the reason, the failure to circulate posed even more difficulties for a cement program that already had a model prediction for failure.
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What’s more important circulating till gas free or disturbing the LCM patch. You can’t have it both ways. This also implies they did not do a wiper trip prior to running casing. Cheap skates. If safety is at stake -STOP ! ie: TD the well an consider alternatives ex: side tracks.
[QUOTE=alcor;39690]How many in BP are to blame? Many say the top. Truth is Hayward could never manage to control 100 wells worlwide. So responsibility was delegated. How far down the chain of command did it go? Was it anything to do with ‘Gung-Ho’ attitude? Did the responsible people ignore BP’s directive concerning well procedures?
Above all other questions is this:
The rabble ask for compensation in the form of the CEO’s incarceration (many of the rabble appear on this site), the attachment of full blame for cutting corners and murdering offshore workers as the sole action of their leader, the CEO of BP. Now, I realise many of you on this site may wish to hang, draw and quarter this man. Rest assured, this will never happen. Why? He shall not answer for the crimes of his employees, who make poor judgements, that apparently affect the whole of BP, in the eyes of the ‘Rabble’, which includes many of you on this sight who are prepared to offer slander in advance of proof.[/QUOTE]
You need to be able to discern between blame and responsibility.
[QUOTE=alcor;39692]I’ve had 24 ‘thanks’ in 408 posts.
I realise thet the ‘flow of the river’ is against me, but I’m not prepared to give up my principles.
I know how to drill wells. Above all, I know how to educate drilling crews. It doesn’t matter what ‘circumstances’ may be encountered. Drill crews should know how to respond. BP, can provide the well from hell, but the drill crews provide control. And, the source of that control is the OIM…but the driller’s and A/D’s must also understand every decision and action taken on a rig. Money! Pour it down their throats for their bravery.[/QUOTE]
There there, I noticed this too, but you have to accept it’s lonely at the top. It’s not just the tide but the whole of the gulf against you. You disturbed the ether, too far this time.
[QUOTE=alcor;39696]!00% correct. I’m the only impartial person on this thread. So, be careful of being persuaded by far right ideas. I look for truth. And it doesn’t come in the form of where you travel to church on a Sunday. If it did, I’d be above you all. I attended Gethsemane for the first 10 formative years of my life.
And yet, knowledge is greater than any religion.[/QUOTE]
Now now lets not get too egocentric. Lots of others on this forum trying to make sense of things are struggling to be as impartial as possible. In fact your zeal to deflect any blame on maniacs within BP indicate that you are an extremist. You also mentioned earlier on that you felt like Caesar -delusions of grandeur ? Megalomania ? What did they do to you at Gethsemane during those formative years ? Tell us we are all ears and willing to listen.
[QUOTE=alcor;39713]Looks like BP have Shut In the well!!!
This is great news. It means that the well can be killed with control from above and below (seabed and 18,000 ft). Let’s hope the build-up of gas doesn’t compromise the wellhead and surface casing.
I’ll eat my words tommorow if things don’t work out at the wellhead. But, I’ll remind you all of the bullshit that CM1 was throwing at you a couple of weeks ago. I’d call it ‘jumping the gun’. Many of you swallowed that crap and regurgitated the same.
Bottom line: BP, will shut in this well if the casing doesn’t burst![/QUOTE]
Shutting in the well is not bad news at all. But we still have a nervous wait. We don’t know what’s going on downhole and we can’t can’t trust what BP says. I hope it holds. If, I were you. I’d keep my powder dry until they kill it. Meanwhile I suggest you see a doctor about premature ejaculation problems.
I’ll ask again. What is going on with BP’s sudden change of heart to allow the well to be shut in? Not that I’m complaining mind you… All along they have said that stopping the flow of oil and gas was off the table. And as suddenly as they dismissed that idea, they relent.
Is it because BP wasn’t ready with the tools and the technology to perform a shut in? And manufactured a reason to let them off the hook? Or what? There has to be a rational reason for this sudden change in direction.
Edit: I should say, not that I’m complaining IF it works without causing further damage to the well. As my previous posts state, I don’t understand BP’s need to shut in the well with the risks involved since they have engineered a closed system to capture the oil. Other than to obfuscate the measurement of how much the well is actually flowing as others have stated in this thread.
[QUOTE=alvis;39743]I’ll ask again. What is going on with BP’s sudden change of heart to allow the well to be shut in? Not that I’m complaining mind you… All along they have said that stopping the flow of oil and gas was off the table. And as suddenly as they dismissed that idea, they relent.
Is it because BP wasn’t ready with the tools and the technology to perform a shut in? And manufactured a reason to let them off the hook? Or what? There has to be a rational reason for this sudden change in direction.[/QUOTE]
One of the guys that lives near my house works for Vetco Gray said if this thing works they will make lots of money.
Was’nt sure that Vetco had anything to do with the new cap till i saw the stickers on it, when he first said that I thought he was talking about the floating risers.
Yeah they did just build this thing and they want to beat there chest drive up the stock. Will do it agin with the well kill. And of course a strategic release of Tony and others will give them another boost when they see fit.
[QUOTE=alvis;39743]I’ll ask again. What is going on with BP’s sudden change of heart to allow the well to be shut in? Not that I’m complaining mind you… All along they have said that stopping the flow of oil and gas was off the table. And as suddenly as they dismissed that idea, they relent.
Is it because BP wasn’t ready with the tools and the technology to perform a shut in? And manufactured a reason to let them off the hook? Or what? There has to be a rational reason for this sudden change in direction.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I don’t know. But I was watching TV yesterday and one of the experts/commentators made this speculation - BP never wanted to connect the new containment cap to the surface. Had they done that, they would have know EXACTLY how much oil is flowing from the well - and the fine is $2400 per barrel per day. If they close it, the case will drag on through the courts for years as to how much oil actually escaped. Think about it. Why couldn’t they have connected the cap to the surface once installed and THEN done an integrity test? Why did they just let it flow into the ocean? Because then the flow from the well becomes an ‘estimate’, not a quantifiable volume.
I hate to be a pessimist, but BP has not been the greatest corporate citizen either in the GOM or Alaska.
[QUOTE=Crash Dummy;39744]One of the guys that lives near my house works for Vetco Gray said if this thing works they will make lots of money.
Was’nt sure that Vetco had anything to do with the new cap till i saw the stickers on it, when he first said that I thought he was talking about the floating risers.
Yeah they did just build this thing and they want to beat there chest drive up the stock. Will do it agin with the well kill. And of course a strategic release of Tony and others will give them another boost when they see fit.[/QUOTE]
There’s still lots of unknown wild cards in the wellbore and then of course there is the weather and the actual impact/total clean up bill -we’re looking at trillions. Good for brokers, they make money either way but not good for sensible investors who do not gamble.
Anybody else noticed that the feed from the camera on the pressure gauge has been shut down? it was only at 400 psi after 3.5 hrs of shut-in. Can’t help but find this highly suspicous.
“Cars and oil didn’t kill the earth when we had a certain amount of control…as in, Americans driving the biggest gas guzzling cars on the planet, no control. Remember one thing, the whole world wants a TV, car, hot water, and electricity…in equal amount to today’s heaviest consumers. So, that would be about 2 billion cars today, compared with 2 million 60 years ago. If we keep ‘advancing’ we’ll all be seeking oxygen masks on our way to work!!!”
You can’t seem to make up your mind whether you are a shill for BP or environmentalists. Or maybe you had a confusion meltdown when all of the “green” BP bull was being shoveled around (that might have made my head explode, too)
It would not surprise me if, in your incredible arrogance, that you are implying that the small people should give up their modern lives while the elites and their brats wallow in their 3+ cars per person (& bay “gas guzzlers”, would you mean Hummers, Jags & Range Rovers-or Bentleys, depending on which side of the pond you’re on?)
their private jets and charters & God Knows, their sailboats, speedboats, yachts & personal watercraft (hoping for latitude from mariner friends. They would be entitled to these while fishermen, shrimpers & fishing charters should swallow their losses), not to mention their swimming pool & tennis court lighting. Sort of a “carbon offset” in real life terms. How many “small people” does it take to offset the extravagance of a few hundred/ or thousand billionaires? I am not referencing any form of socialism here- only that 21st century Gilded Age style gluttony is bleeding the rest of us dry. When the pigs at the top start making their fortunes at that expense, to that extreme, it is time to require some responsibility.
“Free market capitalism” is no more valid for that way of doing business than “environmental consciousness” is for things like “cap & trade”. They are phony fronts designed to manipulate people.
You missed the whole point of my post apparently.
[QUOTE=BLISTERS;39746]There’s still lots of unknown wild cards in the wellbore and then of course there is the weather and the actual impact/total clean up bill -we’re looking at trillions. Good for brokers, they make money either way but not good for sensible investors who do not gamble.[/QUOTE]
Tell me about it Rita and Ike pushed water up Barataria waterway at about 15 knots i was ther picking up some friends and the water was out right scary kind of like what you see at southwest pass. That could be an enviromnetal mess and i’m 1/2 mile north of the levee right there at the intercoastal so i dont want that shit in my house either.
Are they using that thumper to get siesmic readings, looks like a disc on the end of a pipe?
“What do you have to say about the nation who has had the greatest consumption of world oil resources? Is that a form of greed equal to the major oil Operators? Or, do you wish to be quiet about this point? Hallelujah, let’s blame BP. And the chorus sang along!!!”
Pardon me, but that seems like a pretty stupid question re being quiet. This happens to lie with BP, which in some ways reflects on oil production by association, but it is more than that. The problem is corporate & political corruption and that is affects everything. This tragedy is the example that could & should open people’s eyes once & for all. A moratorium on drilling was a poor smoke screen for what really needed to happen: BP should have forfeited- they should forfeit, everything they held on US soil & had their sorry behinds evicted and never be allowed to return. Ditto any foreign holdings.
In your hysteria to divert people’s attention, you’re all over the place. Your resentment & hatred for the US is glaring in this post.
At the very least, the leases held by BP should have been awarded to someone else- someone who was ethical and forthright and who could play by the rules without trying, repeatedly, to exert their sense of entitlement that rules don’t apply to them.
It was BP’s reckless disregard & irresponsible demands that caused this. The ones who made these demands of every person & company working FOR them are culpable for every consequence. That’s supposedly why they are paid so damned much (or it used to be, speaking of decades ago) Now, a few like you are whining & kicking up a fuss because you didn’t get away with what you planned & it blew up (literally) in your face. If you want to be at “the top”, the responsibility lies with you. NO ONE else. (there hasn’t been so much as an insinuation of any kind of conspiracy between BP execs and any other company- TransOcean, Halliburton, Schlimberger, no one. On the contrary, there appear to be documented protests & complaint by those)
BP is ultimately responsible. Grow up & deal with it. Your desperation to find “smaller” people to shoulder your blame shows just how morally debauched & spoiled you are.
[QUOTE=DogsDogsDogs;39751]“What do you have to say about the nation who has had the greatest consumption of world oil resources? Is that a form of greed equal to the major oil Operators? Or, do you wish to be quiet about this point? Hallelujah, let’s blame BP. And the chorus sang along!!!”
Pardon me, but that seems like a pretty stupid question re being quiet. This happens to lie with BP, which in some ways reflects on oil production by association, but it is more than that. The problem is corporate & political corruption and that is affects everything. This tragedy is the example that could & should open people’s eyes once & for all. A moratorium on drilling was a poor smoke screen for what really needed to happen: BP should have forfeited- they should forfeit, everything they held on US soil & had their sorry behinds evicted and never be allowed to return. Ditto any foreign holdings.
In your hysteria to divert people’s attention, you’re all over the place. Your resentment & hatred for the US is glaring in this post.
At the very least, the leases held by BP should have been awarded to someone else- someone who was ethical and forthright and who could play by the rules without trying, repeatedly, to exert their sense of entitlement that rules don’t apply to them.
It was BP’s reckless disregard & irresponsible demands that caused this. The ones who made these demands of every person & company working FOR them are culpable for every consequence. That’s supposedly why they are paid so damned much (or it used to be, speaking of decades ago) Now, a few like you are whining & kicking up a fuss because you didn’t get away with what you planned & it blew up (literally) in your face. If you want to be at “the top”, the responsibility lies with you. NO ONE else. (there hasn’t been so much as an insinuation of any kind of conspiracy between BP execs and any other company- TransOcean, Halliburton, Schlimberger, no one. On the contrary, there appear to be documented protests & complaint by those)
BP is ultimately responsible. Grow up & deal with it. Your desperation to find “smaller” people to shoulder your blame shows just how morally debauched & spoiled you are.[/QUOTE]
Heard Washington was talking about banning operators that either were responsible for 10 or more
deaths or had 10 million in fines within the last 5 years. Any truth to that?
[QUOTE=alcor;39695]Here’s how I see it:
Share price went up 4 % yesterday when they landed the Top BOP. When the well is killed the price will rise a further 15%. When Hatward is sacked, another 10%. Meantime, you have to search your conscience and decide if the outcome is noble. It isn’t. It’s profit, and it appeases the American sense that someone else is responsible for the demise of the DWH. I suggest you look amongst yourselves, and I pity the day BP ever bought and attempted to control the likes of AMOCO and ARCO.
Funny enough, BP’s operations worldwide appear to be more than healthy. Take a chill pill and examine what may be wrong at home!!![/QUOTE]
No wonder they’re making money abroad if the rumor I heard the last couple of days is true. Is it true that BP was working to get the Lockerby Scottland bomber that killed some +/- 300 psople released so BP can tie up an oil deal with Libya? Are those the same murdering scum you are coming on here to defend? You are truly a sack of shit. I mean that in all sincerity. BTW, I got a PM from somone on this board that left the location yesterday. This person claims there is a massive plume coming from the ground about 1/2 mile away from the well head. I hope this is not true, but the person who reported it to me has much more credibility than your bosses do.
[QUOTE=alvis;39743]I’ll ask again. What is going on with BP’s sudden change of heart to allow the well to be shut in? Not that I’m complaining mind you… All along they have said that stopping the flow of oil and gas was off the table. And as suddenly as they dismissed that idea, they relent.
Is it because BP wasn’t ready with the tools and the technology to perform a shut in? And manufactured a reason to let them off the hook? Or what? There has to be a rational reason for this sudden change in direction.
Edit: I should say, not that I’m complaining IF it works without causing further damage to the well. As my previous posts state, I don’t understand BP’s need to shut in the well with the risks involved since they have engineered a closed system to capture the oil. Other than to obfuscate the measurement of how much the well is actually flowing as others have stated in this thread.[/QUOTE]
I think it was the government that didnt allopw bp to shut in the well earlier. dont eremember bp ever not wanting to stop the oil but brother obummer gained by the oil flowing/
[QUOTE=DDdon;39747]Anybody else noticed that the feed from the camera on the pressure gauge has been shut down? it was only at 400 psi after 3.5 hrs of shut-in. Can’t help but find this highly suspicous.[/QUOTE]
The gauges being shown to us are only looking at hydraulic/accumulator pressures. The well is being monitored with “sensors”.
It sounds like the mini-BOP may hold and the talk is of containment and shut-in until the relief well intersects.
But why not start a top kill straightaway by the choke and kill lines and get this thing over with?
Wouldn’t the shut-in wellhead pressure start to drop straightaway?
Just a thought from a non-driller.