[QUOTE=alcor;37947]By performing a negative test you simulate the conditions of displacement to SW in advance of performing this function. This would not be possible to 8300 ft. But it was performed at the WH. And what was the outcome? They got 15 bbls back when bleeding off pressure instead of 5 Bbls. This means fluid in the Annulus have moved. At the same time pressure was rising on the standpipe guage. Why? It can only be gas.
This all occurred at approx 1900 hrs. Plenty of time to shut in.
What happened instead. They displaced the Riser to SW which will have allowed further influx to enter the well. They didn’t see this because of the backloading.
At some point, the pressure built up and blew out the Seal Assy and casing hanger.
I’m not saying that all of this is 100% correct. But, I assure you we must recognise when a kick is coming.
I’d like to know who told them to displace to SW without any effective volume control.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Alcor and Company Man 1, and [I]as I recall[/I], they got 23 bbls on the first neg test using the drill string, then they pressured up on the annular and got 15 bbls on the second neg test, where they used the kill and choke lines. Did I remember that correctly? Just trying to get all the facts straight. [ I don’t know enough yet to know what matters and what is dx ]
[QUOTE=company man 1;37949]Oncer again for the fiftieth fricking time, do you have evidence to back up these claims? I have asked you to produce this evidence for three weeks now & you provide no link with data.[/QUOTE]
If you look back I offered you the data, in the form of reports to the Energy committee.
Look at thread number 3761.
Then, tell me if it might have been possible to act.
You know something, there are many poorly designed wells in the world. But the purpose of Drilling Contractors is to perform pressure and volume control. This was not done.
[QUOTE=Cynthia;37952]Thanks Alcor and Company Man 1, and [I]as I recall[/I], they got 23 bbls on the first neg test using the drill string, then they pressured up on the annular and got 15 bbls on the second neg test, where they used the kill and choke lines. Did I remember that correctly? Just trying to get all the facts straight. [ I don’t know enough yet to know what matters and what is dx ][/QUOTE]
Read this Cynthia:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100525/Memo.BP.Internal.Investigation.pdf
And, believe me, it matters.
What is the role of the drilling contractor? To let BP company Man make stupid decisions on our behalf. No, it doesn’t work like that amongst the drilling contractors I’ve worked for. The Operator always compliments the crews for averting a crisis. This whole crisis could have been averted if action to close the BOP had been taken as soon as volumes didn’t add up.
I know about this. This is my business. This is what I do. Trying to get someone to look at the bigger picture of the events leading up to this is almost impossible.
But, I will persist.
[QUOTE=alcor;37953]If you look back I offered you the data, in the form of reports to the Energy committee.
Look at thread number 3761.
Then, tell me if it might have been possible to act.
You know something, there are many poorly designed wells in the world. But the purpose of Drilling Contractors is to perform pressure and volume control. This was not done.[/QUOTE]
Does it show evidence backed with data or backed up by someone who actually witnessed the tests? Because the only witnesses of the tests are either dead or taking the 5th. BP hasn’t released the evidence they have because it will directly implicate anyone who was in the room when the data was taken. This is refered to in american juris prudence as hearsay. That means until there is evidence or eyewitness testimony to back it up you have no basis for posting this any more than someone who claimed their cousin saw an alien last night.
BTW, the cementing recipe is a little more complicated than you understand. Halliburton, BJ, Schlumberger, or any other cementing contractor in the gulf performs a prejob laboratory analysis on the cement recipe before it is ever pumped. This simulation is then given to the operator with recommendations for waiting time to allow cement to reach compressible strength to hold a good bond & allow for pressure testing. BP did not follow these recommendations.
And, there’s no point in installing a lockdown on the Seal Assy if it leaks.
[QUOTE=company man 1;37958]Does it show evidence backed with data or backed up by someone who actually witnessed the tests? Because the only witnesses of the tests are either dead or taking the 5th. BP hasn’t released the evidence they have because it will directly implicate anyone who was in the room when the data was taken. This is refered to in american juris prudence as hearsay. That means until there is evidence or eyewitness testimony to back it up you have no basis for posting this any more than someone who claimed their cousin saw an alien last night.
BTW, the cementing recipe is a little more complicated than you understand. Halliburton, BJ, Schlumberger, or any other cementing contractor in the gulf performs a prejob laboratory analysis on the cement recipe before it is ever pumped. This simulation is then given to the operator with recommendations for waiting time to allow cement to reach compressible strength to hold a good bond & allow for pressure testing. BP did not follow these recommendations.[/QUOTE]
It’s not disputed by TO. They simply neglect to use more open language. The data must be available from TO. It will surface. Problem is that so many are battering BP that they forget who is the front line for well control, and that’s TO.
We can design the most screwed up wells you’ve ever seen. And they can fail miserably. But, as long as we maintain either primary or secondary well control then we can shut in and cement the lot if necessary. This isn’t the first well that’s caused problems. It is the most media covered.
Is the whole BP organisation going to crumble because of this man and a few others. If that happens, then goodbye Corporate America. The rest of the world is an easier place to operate, a place where accountability for actions is the norm.
Desperation sets in, huh?
So are you arguing that a company is NOT responsible for the conduct of its employees, yes or no?
Or does “accountability for actions” include the corporation itself?
Hey Sarah, corporate accountability and responsibility is a tough row to hoe, if you’re not man enough, well…
[QUOTE=alcor;37954]Read this Cynthia:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100525/Memo.BP.Internal.Investigation.pdf
And, believe me, it matters.
What is the role of the drilling contractor? To let BP company Man make stupid decisions on our behalf. No, it doesn’t work like that amongst the drilling contractors I’ve worked for. The Operator always compliments the crews for averting a crisis. This whole crisis could have been averted if action to close the BOP had been taken as soon as volumes didn’t add up.
I know about this. This is my business. This is what I do. Trying to get someone to look at the bigger picture of the events leading up to this is almost impossible.
But, I will persist.[/QUOTE]
Thank you! Now that wasn’t so hard was it? Now you have a legs for your position to stand. This does not in any way absolve BP of an overall show of negligence , but rather implicates them even further. This means they had no excuse for not stopping the job themselves. After all the risks taken, after all the warnings given, they still continued to push the rig personnel over the cliff. Now do you think this wasn’t premeditated?
[QUOTE=alcor;37954]Read this Cynthia:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/documents/20100525/Memo.BP.Internal.Investigation.pdf
And, believe me, it matters.
What is the role of the drilling contractor? To let BP company Man make stupid decisions on our behalf. No, it doesn’t work like that amongst the drilling contractors I’ve worked for. The Operator always compliments the crews for averting a crisis. This whole crisis could have been averted if action to close the BOP had been taken as soon as volumes didn’t add up.
I know about this. This is my business. This is what I do. Trying to get someone to look at the bigger picture of the events leading up to this is almost impossible.
But, I will persist.[/QUOTE]
Have all of you with MUCH MORE experence on the other side of the joystick than me read this? Do the logs we have from the DWH show what BP is saying happened 51 min and 18 min before the explosion?
[QUOTE=company man 1;37958]Does it show evidence backed with data or backed up by someone who actually witnessed the tests? Because the only witnesses of the tests are either dead or taking the 5th. BP hasn’t released the evidence they have because it will directly implicate anyone who was in the room when the data was taken. This is refered to in american juris prudence as hearsay. That means until there is evidence or eyewitness testimony to back it up you have no basis for posting this any more than someone who claimed their cousin saw an alien last night.
BTW, the cementing recipe is a little more complicated than you understand. Halliburton, BJ, Schlumberger, or any other cementing contractor in the gulf performs a prejob laboratory analysis on the cement recipe before it is ever pumped. This simulation is then given to the operator with recommendations for waiting time to allow cement to reach compressible strength to hold a good bond & allow for pressure testing. BP did not follow these recommendations.[/QUOTE]
I believe there’ll also be a night company man who will be aware of the operations.
On the rig I work on, everyone has a headset. Radio discipline is adhered to generally, and the whole rig is listening to us operate, every single word that we speak.
There are radio sets in both the TP and Co Man offices. All communication is open. All operate as a team. 100% proffessional.
[QUOTE=kwCharlie;37963]Have all of you with MUCH MORE experence on the other side of the joystick than me read this? Do the logs we have from the DWH show what BP is saying happened 51 min and 18 min before the explosion?[/QUOTE]
The question is: Do any of you know how to interpret the logger’s report?
And, they said more than 51 and 18 mins before the accident if you read again.
[QUOTE=company man 1;37962]Thank you! Now that wasn’t so hard was it? Now you have a legs for your position to stand. This does not in any way absolve BP of an overall show of negligence , but rather implicates them even further. This means they had no excuse for not stopping the job themselves. After all the risks taken, after all the warnings given, they still continued to push the rig personnel over the cliff. Now do you think this wasn’t premeditated?[/QUOTE]
Look, I’m just asking you to keep an open mind. Every time someone says something you don’t like you manufacture a way to steer it all back to BP. I’m just telling you a simple fact and it is this:
This whole Spill in the GOM could have been averted if people had read the signs and closed the BOP 5 hours in advance of the disaster and loss of control. There wouldn’t be any oil in the sea. And, it wasn’t the night crew who was on shift then. So, all the evidence will become available.
[QUOTE=alcor;37945]100% correct. One persons decisions may have been enough to cause all this mayhem. [/QUOTE]
Dear god man, you really are a low-life corporate shrill. You must be upper BP management and hoping to cover your ass by continually pointing to the “small” people.
[QUOTE=alcor;37945]He operated outside the BP best practices. [/QUOTE]
Yes he did, but he did NOT operate in a vacuum.
[QUOTE=alcor;37945]Who else knew?[/QUOTE]
But you really don’t care about “who else knew”. Your writings indicate that you’d like to see Vidrine crucified and for the world to forgive/forget, and let BP, AND ESPECIALLY ITS EXECS, move on.
[QUOTE=alcor;37945]Is the whole BP organisation going to crumble because of this man and a few others.[/QUOTE]
Gee, I dunno. Should all of Germany crumble because of a minority Nazi party?
What do you think?
How about this, shit-for-brains, Welcome to the real world of CONSEQUENCES!!!
[QUOTE=alcor;37945]If that happens, then goodbye Corporate America.[/QUOTE]
Spread your fear – or at least attempt to, you imbecile.
[QUOTE=alcor;37945]The rest of the world is an easier place to operate, a place where accountability for actions is the norm.[/QUOTE]
Oh but wait, you don’t want accountability for actions unless it’s at the very lowest level. You are so full of double-speak that it’s pathetic.
I work for BP and I can tell you that the problem IS systemic within upper management, ESPECIALLY since Hatchet Hayward took over with his cut-throat “Every Dollar Counts!” bullshit. He took an already teetering company and pushed it over the cliff. And then let’s not forget former GoM President Neal ChainShaw and his cronies sent over by Hatchet Hayward to straighten out the gulf.
Fortunately for Neal Shaw, he moved out and up six months ago and is laying low. Unfortunate for James Dupree that he just took the position. Of course it was Dupree that informed us via an internal memo when the DWH sunk that it was “no longer visible from the surface”. The chicken shit spin-doctor couldn’t just say “the DWH has sunk”. Nope. Had to put a softening spin on it. Apparently he’s been well groomed within the BP crony circle.
Alcor, you are naive if you DON’T recognize that BP has serious management problems that GO ALL THE WAY UP THE LADDER.
Do you work for BP?
Does your Daddy?
Because as a BP employee, I’d love to tell you to go fuck yourself. (God how I hope that you are one of my bosses!!!) In fact I will. Go fuck yourself Alcor – you BP trash. You’ve done a first class job of ruining my home state and sinking the company I work for.
And by the way, take your constant hazy double talk and shove it deep up your Macondo. And once you do that, shove in some drilling mud so that it doesn’t blow back out.
And if you send me a PM, I’ll tell you how I REALLY feel.
[QUOTE=alcor;37965]The question is: Do any of you know how to interpret the logger’s report?
And, they said more than 51 and 18 mins before the accident if you read again.[/QUOTE]
That’s why i asked and didn’t try myself.
The whole pdf looks like it was paid for by the BP’s PAC $ to Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas) between May 1 and 31. He’s on the Energy Committe BUT I’ll let thoose who know more than me say about what BP’s says in it.
[QUOTE=~~~;37967]Dear god man, you really are a low-life corporate shrill. You must be upper BP management and hoping to cover your ass by continually pointing to the “small” people.
Yes he did, but he did NOT operate in a vacuum.
But you really don’t care about “who else knew”. Your writings indicate that you’d like to see Vidrine crucified and for the world to forgive/forget, and let BP, AND ESPECIALLY ITS EXECS, move on.
Gee, I dunno. Should all of Germany crumble because of a minority Nazi party?
What do you think?
How about this, shit-for-brains, Welcome to the real world of CONSEQUENCES!!!
Spread your fear – or at least attempt to, you imbecile.
Oh but wait, you don’t want accountability for actions unless it’s at the very lowest level. You are so full of double-speak that it’s pathetic.
I work for BP and I can tell you that the problem IS systemic within upper management, ESPECIALLY since Hatchet Hayward took over with his cut-throat “Every Dollar Counts!” bullshit. He took an already teetering company and pushed it over the cliff. And then let’s not forget former GoM President Neal ChainShaw and his cronies sent over by Hatchet Hayward to straighten out the gulf.
Fortunately for Neal Shaw, he moved out and up six months ago and is laying low. Unfortunate for James Dupree that he just took the position. Of course it was Dupree that informed us via an internal memo when the DWH sunk that it was “no longer visible from the surface”. The chicken shit spin-doctor couldn’t just say “the DWH has sunk”. Nope. Had to put a softening spin on it. Apparently he’s been well groomed within the BP crony circle.
Alcor, you are naive if you DON’T recognize that BP has serious management problems that GO ALL THE WAY UP THE LADDER.
Do you work for BP?
Does your Daddy?
Because as a BP employee, I’d love to tell you to go fuck yourself. (God how I hope that you are one of my bosses!!!) In fact I will. Go fuck yourself Alcor – you BP trash. You’ve done a first class job of ruining my home state and sinking the company I work for.
And by the way, take your constant hazy double talk and shove it deep up your Macondo. And once you do that, shove in some drilling mud so that it doesn’t blow back out.
And if you send me a PM, I’ll tell you how I REALLY feel.[/QUOTE]
I’m simply pointing out that the well could have been saved. And yes, Vidrine will answer.
And, mind your language!
[QUOTE=company man 1;37962]Thank you! Now that wasn’t so hard was it? Now you have a legs for your position to stand. This does not in any way absolve BP of an overall show of negligence , but rather implicates them even further. This means they had no excuse for not stopping the job themselves. After all the risks taken, after all the warnings given, they still continued to push the rig personnel over the cliff. Now do you think this wasn’t premeditated?[/QUOTE]
The rig personnel are in charge regards well control and volume/pressure anomalies. In other words, the first sign of pressure inconsistency or volume gain, we shut the well in at the BOP. That, is our duty. we never seek consent from the Operator. We shut in straight away.
You’re all very attentive this evening!
Dear Alcor,et.al.,
Are you recycling your old posts? Your comments are sounding very familiar. It would also be so much nicer if you could stop beating those poor dead horses. The only thing I ask of the people that I know is that they please don’t be boring. I believe that you have jumped the shark.
[QUOTE=kwCharlie;37968]That’s why i asked and didn’t try myself.
The whole pdf looks like it was paid for by the BP’s PAC $ to Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas) between May 1 and 31. He’s on the Energy Committe BUT I’ll let thoose who know more than me say about what BP’s says in it.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that you have come to conclusions without knowing all the facts. These are independent real time values of what happened on the rig. I believe the logging company is Halliburton.
[QUOTE=Texanne;37974]Dear Alcor,et.al.,
Are you recycling your old posts? Your comments are sounding very familiar. It would also be so much nicer if you could stop beating those poor dead horses. The only thing I ask of the people that I know is that they please don’t be boring. I believe that you have jumped the shark.[/QUOTE]
If you don’t know how to interpret the information then admit it. Facts, speak for themselves. I know this well could have been saved.