[QUOTE=stratege;37036]@CM_1
In a 2 dimensional world you will only find 2 colors namely black and white. Accordingly it’s easy to find the guilty if somebody made a catastrophic mistake, they either are guilty or innocent. Unfortunately in the real world it doesn’t work that way and that’s my point in case.
My original posting opened with quote 'Lets summarize [B]beyond[/B] the technical details’
It’s the whole framework of operational and regulatory decisions that’s needs to be analyzed before coming to final conclusions. Once again BP is responsible, no question about that, but who else is partly to blame too? And what happened that this accident could evolve the way it did?
Reducing this matter to BP only and asking it’s CEO questions like ‘could you provide us with the names of the responsible individuals’ sounds to me like a lynch mob out looking for the highest tree available. We reduce this to a 2 dimensional black and white scenario and afterwards everything will be fine. Right? > Wrong!
If anything good should come out of this accident and it’s subsequent dealings then we should broaden our horizon and start formulating questions like who else was in charge and why didn’t the top down ‘safety before cost’ approach that BP apparently started didn’t kick in the way it was supposed to do.
Yes BP’s got a bad rep, and yes they messed this thing up major big time. But that’s nothing new in a world that is driven by vested interests and shareholder value. Do you honestly think that you can just change the system by finding the perpetrators?
Reason dictates that we should look beyond technical details. Frankly I don’t care what false decisions were made with respect to operating this drilling procedure. That’s after all for the engineers to decide and I am sure that every qualified expert will come to his own conclusion. What makes me shiver is the way in which other competitors in the oil field blatantly state ‘we wouldn’t have done it that way, that’s highly risky’ The immediate question that first pops up in my mind is 'O do you. How’s that?'
What makes the chain of command in the rest of the oil industry apparently that different from BP’s? They all work with the same subcontractors, operate in the same surroundings, and are overlooked by the same governing bodies. Yet until this accident occurred nobody has stepped in and said ‘Look BP that’s not how it’s done on our turf, the ball stops right here’ Why?
Take Transocean for instance. Greenhorn formulated it expertly in post 3085, quote:
'The DWH and its crewmembers were the sole responsibilty of the USCG licensed OIM on board at the time. He could and should have saved the DWH and [B]his[/B] crew by just saying NO WAY IN HELL I’M DOING THAT! '
That’s not letting BP getting of the hook, it’s just sensible thinking.
The same sensible thinking also dictates that is it time to rethink the standard practice of subcontractors flagging out their drill rigs in other countries. If a rig and it’s crew are mission critical with respect to safety then they should all adhere to the same high standards, which is at present certainly not the case. It is all to easy to circumvent US regulation by registering your ships elsewhere and thus reduce overall cost be it tax wise or staff wise.
So yes, I am trying to get a better understanding off the way this business works by re- framing the whole concept. If you still think that that is a way of letting BP of the hook then that is something for you to decide.[/QUOTE]
You contradict yourself because you can’t omit operational decisions from technical detail, even for the purpose of logical argument, nor can you consider the whole without consideration of technical details. In essence this is BP’s fundamental mentality that has begat error after error, lie after lie, pre and post blowout. Also does BP drug test their staff in town ?
Oh yeah ! there’s no two ways about it BP is to blame. Lets look at it 3 dimensionally - there is no way out for BP when it comes to “root cause” as opposed to “subsequent cause”. Source of the root cause was BP’s but please also be mindful BP had its chosen representative on the rig to carry out its instructions despite several warnings from other parties on and off the rig, inclusive of BP’s own engineers who warned that what they planned was dangerously risky.
You ask “Why didn’t the top down ‘safety before cost’ approach that BP apparently started didn’t kick in the way it was supposed to do “?This is highly laughable why not ask Tony or best pull out your finger first. Put simply, because data they have so far released proves beyond any doubt they were and are still being run by a bunch of idiots, not just contravening basic laws of physics with well planning and execution of the well plan but also with the way they proved they had F’all contingency to deal with a spill of such magnitude. BP has time and time again proven they are a bunch liars through out this whole episode which is still on going and I suspect, albeit I hope I am wrong, is not going to abate soon and its effects will linger for scores of years to come.
Every spirit for or against BP, for or against deepwater drilling anywhere, animal, vegetable, air, land, rain, coastal or inland, and human, would like to see the relief wells succeed.
To my knowledge the majority of relief wells succeed….eventually, if not on the first attempt to intersect the well. If have full confidence in the non BP personnel drilling the relief wells and technology being employed. But I have no confidence in what really happened down there and has since happened. The situation as is, is scary but what makes it even scarier is BP’s proven incompetence pre and post blowout. A problem cannot be fixed for good if BP is being coy about what happened and what is happening right now. I trust BP which has boasted that it has hundreds of experts and specialists from all over the world working with it, now has contingency just in case the relief well option is not successful. I do not believe in God or the devil or anything for that matter. I either know or I don’t know. But I find myself praying that a hurricane does not wellup and chuck the spanner into the works. Time is of essence and it seems both relief wells are ahead of schedule. Good.
But this ain’t no accident, or some disaster movie, it is a catastrophe of biblical proportions. You need to develop the ability to discern betwixt imagination and reality and quit downplaying this massive F’up that will go down into history books if you want to broaden our horizons.
Do we honestly think that we can just change the system by finding the perpetrators? YES WE CAN ! …and Buddy ! this planet is not driven by vested interest and shareholder value, perhaps your insipid pathetic world is.
It is an understatement to say you don’t care what false decisions were made with respect to operating this drilling procedure considering BP engineers themselves said “Who cares” and were dumb enough to think they were powerful enough to put it in writing.
Rest assured qualified experts will come to a common conclusion as to the root cause of this catastrophe ie: BP. Competitors in the oil field blatantly stated ‘we wouldn’t have done it that way, that’s highly risky’ rightly so, because to date none of them have screwed up the way BP did and is still doing post blowout.
Your shivers are misdirected. You need really to shiver of what’s to come, this aint over yet and has a long long way to go even if the relief wells succeeds, and also the fact that BP is not dealing with some weak diseased malnourished third world nation governed by weak leaders readily susceptible to bribes.
I agree with you though that the OIM could have used his power to override BP’s stupidity. But rest assured again, that OIMs all a round the world will , to borrow Tony’s famous phrase, be focused like lasers at BP engineers on board when it comes to making this decision on their rigs.
Before you blame TO for failure to close BOPs, I suggest you get the bigger picture by getting BP to release the Halliburton data logs at least 72 hr prior to the blowout and also question why they have only released the last 2 hours plus the last BOP test logs with choke/csg pressure traces. Just producing a scrappy hand filled table of the last BOP test is not good enough. Lets see them. This are instantaneously fed back online to Halliburton and BP in town.
Considering root cause and subsequent to the cause the bulk of your argument is narrow an indicative of a delusional mind like Tony’s.