Deepwater Horizon - Transocean Oil Rig Fire

Offshore
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[QUOTE=alcor;36875]I know you have none. But, tell us truthfully, have you any experience of deepwater wells? Have you ever been on a semi submersible rig?
I’ve looked at many of your previous contributions and I feel you have no technical background at all.
I hope you aren’t in charge of offshore ops![/QUOTE]

Not that I owe you an explanation Mr. BP but I have been on many deepwater drilling vessels. As a matter of fact for about a 6 year period I spent at least half my time on deepwater exploratory wells running deepwater full bore drill stem test tools. That is also how I know about rupture discs as used in downhole tools. In fact I worked on the first deepwater rig ever built & I can tell you it was an antique. The name of the rig was the ODECO Ocean Driller. This now makes two tiomes this evening you’ve blown accusations out of your ass. I understand you know that I have exposed you for the maggot you are, but don’t expect me to answer any more of your unfounded bullshit accusations & converse with you any more or even acknowledge your ignorance about stuff you have no clue about & have thrown blame at a lot of good people & shown yourself to be an embarrassment to whatever nationality you represent. Now go F!!k yourself.

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cmjeff, I read, that the oil, beneath the mecondo well could spill for as much, as 7 years,Is that realistic to you?

3103

[QUOTE=cmjeff;36882]They will shut-in everything nearby or that runs through the canyon and fill all pipes with seawater. After the explosion they test everything and the stuff that leaks will need to be rebuilt around the “mud slide”. If it can’t be rerun economically then the effected rigs will be shutdown.[/QUOTE]
It’s not just that though. There has been reference to the Taylor energy platform @ MC 30. There are several platforms that run up the canyon that in the event of a muc slide would be subject to being overtaken below the subsurface safety valves. It is not only slightly possible, but somwhat to very probable that if a lage enough geologic event occured, a mud slide of this magnitude would have even more catastrophic events on other platfroms well below the surface. The bottom line is, if they want this well dead they should be out there driling as many relief wells as necessary. I beleive BP has much more information about what is occuring & STILL is not being honest & making their best effort to make sure they can kill this well. They are still looking at the money flying out the door & thinking economically about this instead of thinking safely about this as proven by Tony Hayward’s testimony or lack of it this afternoon.

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cm1,

Re your #2992; here’s my point. Ever heard of he Michael Kinsley principle? It’s this: there are always crooks, and that’s unsurprising (read the Old Testament!) (sure, some MMS employees succumbed to, ahem, ladies of the night). The real scandal, his maxim holds, is what’s legal: categorical exemptions? rubber-stamping variances? not [I][U]requiring[/U][/I] tests of BOPs? no problemo!

This, I contend, is what comes of knowing that you, your job, your efforts, your raison d’etre are (seemingly) regarded as worse than useless, simply in the way and deserving of drowning in a bathtub, and being told that, beat down, for [I]decades[/I]. How demoralizing, over a career, would that be? From all that, it isn’t far to “who gives a sh__”, and then the regulatory BOP is, in effect, voluntarily taken down. Next, with the fox guarding the henhouse, with BP deciding what safety measures are enough, you get Macondo and I hope not Atlantis.

3105

your BOP’s will fail if there is casing up in it.

[QUOTE=alcor;36868]I have spent the past 5 hours watching the sub committee question Mr Hayward.
I can assure everyone on this website that there were fundamental flaws with this well. As part of a team of drilling contrators I can assure all of you that my rig will not burn. Why? Because we have systems in place to test our BOPs.
TO didn’t have well control or BOPs in place.
The simple fact is this: it doesn’t matter what is going on below the well head. The drilling contractor must always shut in if volumes or pressure control is lost.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=jmccaski;36843]Here’s what I saw… but I am not vouching for anything :slight_smile: I see that even the numbers he reports are not consistent.

http://markimoore.com/relief-well-status-as-of-june-16-2010/

Relief well status as of June 16, 2010

The primary relief well is currently at a depth of more than 15,000 feet. The relief well is beginning to angle at 23 degrees to intercept the MC252 well shaft. The well is being drilled by The Development Driller III and is approximately 11 days ahead of schedule.

The secondary or backup relief well , being drilled by The Development Driller II, has drilled the second relief well to a depth of 9,774 feet.

BP Oil Response Quick Reference Data

Relief Well Depth (DDIII) - 15,000+’ (16June10) primary well

Relief Well Depth (DDII) - 9,022’ (16June10) secondary well

Daily Oil collected - 18,600 barrels (16June10)

Total Oil collected - 180,737 barrels (4June10-16June10)

Daily Gas Flared - 40 mil. standard ft3 (16June10)[/QUOTE]

For those who are trying to follow the progress of the relief wells, this information is published directly by BP on their web site, although you have to dig around a bit. They have a very nice graphic of the relief wells that they update every few days when the wells are drilling ahead. Here’s a link to the most recent update from Monday:

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/downloads_pdfs/ReliefWellDiagram06132010.pdf

The DD3 well spudded on May 2nd and the estimated time to intercept was 90 days, which I’d guess assumes a sidetrack or two to find the well when they get close. If they are, in fact, 11 days ahead of schedule then that would imply a likely target intercept around July 25th. Let’s hope they are being conservative in their estimates and continue to drill faster than plan.

They deviated towards the well about 3 weeks ago and are about halfway through the deviated section on the way to intercept. They set the 13 5/8" casing late last week and drilled out over the weekend. With luck they will be setting the 11 7/8" casing this coming weekend. That leaves just one more liner section before they start probing for the wellbore. It is phenominally unlikely they will hit it on the first pass and will probably need to sidetrack at least once to hit it. Given the rate they have been drilling, the best case intercept would be somewhere near the second week of July. Every subsequent try that’s needed will add about a week. Let’s hope the weather holds and the magnetometer works first try…

If for some reason they lose the first relief well, the DD2 looks to be about 2 months away from the backup intercept attempt (weather permitting).

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[QUOTE=company man 1;36883]Not that I owe you an explanation Mr. BP but I have been on many deepwater drilling vessels. As a matter of fact for about a 6 year period I spent at least half my time on deepwater exploratory wells running deepwater full bore drill stem test tools. That is also how I know about rupture discs as used in downhole tools. In fact I worked on the first deepwater rig ever built & I can tell you it was an antique. The name of the rig was the ODECO Ocean Driller. This now makes two tiomes this evening you’ve blown accusations out of your ass. I understand you know that I have exposed you for the maggot you are, but don’t expect me to answer any more of your unfounded bullshit accusations & converse with you any more or even acknowledge your ignorance about stuff you have no clue about & have thrown blame at a lot of good people & shown yourself to be an embarrassment to whatever nationality you represent. Now go F!!k yourself.[/QUOTE]

If BP is buying up search terms on Google, their PR efforts would surely extend to ‘preparing the battlefield’ on an opinion leader forum like this. rlanasa, I would bet a lot, was directed to be here, for that purpose I’ve been wondering what Department Alcor works in: Corporate Communications, or has he been detailed from something more operational. Or maybe he’s what he says, but the contractor he works for is sointertwined with BP that he’s been ‘lent’. Thoughts?

3108

And, as long as we’re tallying bummers, the Lakers just won by 4.

3109

During the Senate conversation with BP CEO Tony Hayward today, he stated that the MC252 well had total estimated reserves of 50 million barrels (http://markimoore.com/mc252-reservoir-pressure-and-bop-rating/). Additionally, he also stated that the production capacity out of a well like this was around 15-25,000 barrels a day. If the math is correct, that would mean the well would produce at those levels for approx. 38 years. (50,000,000barrels/25,000barrels)/52=38 years.

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[QUOTE=dell;36886]cm1,

Re your #2992; here’s my point. Ever heard of he Michael Kinsley principle? It’s this: there are always crooks, and that’s unsurprising (read the Old Testament!) (sure, some MMS employees succumbed to, ahem, ladies of the night). The real scandal, his maxim holds, is what’s legal: categorical exemptions? rubber-stamping variances? not [I][U]requiring[/U][/I] tests of BOPs? no problemo!

This, I contend, is what comes of knowing that you, your job, your efforts, your raison d’etre are (seemingly) regarded as worse than useless, simply in the way and deserving of drowning in a bathtub, and being told that, beat down, for [I]decades[/I]. How demoralizing, over a career, would that be? From all that, it isn’t far to “who gives a sh__”, and then the regulatory BOP is, in effect, voluntarily taken down. Next, with the fox guarding the henhouse, with BP deciding what safety measures are enough, you get Macondo and I hope not Atlantis.[/QUOTE]
I understand what you are saying about the agency & the complacency that beauracrocy can cause. However, it is still incumbent upon the rigs & their crews to legitimately test their BOP systems since their lives depend on it. If they are that blind to their own personal safety. They can not blame the system or the government for they’re lack of vigilance on anyone but themselves. If BP won’t allow them time to properly test they’re BOPs then they don’t need to work for BP. There are guidelines for BOP testing for good reasons.

3111

This may not be the appropriate forum, but here’s the question: Can anyone here explain the “Jones Act” and implications that may be acting to impede assistance from other nations to provide skimmers, vacuum ships, etc. that would be useful in confronting the massive amount of oil on the waters of the Gulf? I’m not sure if “Jones Act” implications are the root of the issue and I am sure that there are problems with bureaucratic confusion between BP, USCG and Army Corps, and Federal/State quagmire. Any experienced views or suggestions for some “clue” to clarity are welcome.

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[QUOTE=markimoore;36892]During the Senate conversation with BP CEO Tony Hayward today, he stated that the MC252 well had total estimated reserves of 50 million barrels (http://markimoore.com/mc252-reservoir-pressure-and-bop-rating/). Additionally, he also stated that the production capacity out of a well like this was around 15-25,000 barrels a day. If the math is correct, that would mean the well would produce at those levels for approx. 38 years. (50,000,000barrels/25,000barrels)/52=38 years.[/QUOTE]

Shouldnt you divide by 365 and not 52? 50milBBL div by 25000BBL/day is 2000 (days)

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[QUOTE=BLISTERS;36880]Don’t be fooled. Tony feigned remorse throughout questioning to appear the underdog. He is good at this. Bear the memory of men who died on that rig, the pain and suffering their families and the rest of people living on the gulf coast are experiencing, the innocent helpless wildlife suffering and you will protect yourself from hypnotic effects Tony tries with that tone of voice he uses. Never lose sight that the damage as is, is irreparable. A whole ecosystem and culture poisoned and destroyed. Anyone who says they can make these whole again is kidding themselves and kidding you. Gulf coast folks can tell future generations stories of how it was but they won’t experience what grandpa is talking about. Spend a bit of time and check out this long winded drivel he is feeding young minds, at this youtube site. He cashes in on a situation where he had to face the mother of a worker who died on one of his wells to massage his ego in front of students. The rest of it is jammed packed with various delusional self serving statements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwQM00clxgM&feature=related It is amazing that no one questioned him about when this investigation BP is conducting will be completed. It might go on forever until resolve for justice ebbs away or they might come up with inconclusive findings stating stuff like the BOP and other evidence was irretrievable. This guy and his company deserves no sympathy ! Don’t be duped into believe anything they say until they deny it.[/QUOTE]
How about a wee bit of perspective? The Phillip Morris company has killed more people than BP, the real estate industry has destroyed more habitat than BP, politicians have told more lies than BP, and when it comes to incompetent decisions that impacted the lives of families - America itself has done more of that in Iraq than BP has done here, so… let’s put our collective genius to understanding how to make well installations more successful. As for you or me or anyone else here ‘knowing what is in Tony Hayward’s heart’ I think I can state categorically that this is something that is impossible for us to know, so let’s not bother pretending to be able to. There. And, I get the points you are making, I just am not making this into a blood sport.

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[QUOTE=alcor;36787]What a load of rubbish. Do you work in the oil industry?[/QUOTE]

What’s rubbish? The original article or my synopsis of it?

3115

I wonder the same but dont want to talk too much being a new fish in a big sea here. I have heard rumors of a few european dredging companies with technologies that work in this case- where are they? Apparently no here because of the flag on their stern!?

[QUOTE=scottnatl;36895]This may not be the appropriate forum, but here’s the question: Can anyone here explain the “Jones Act” and implications that may be acting to impede assistance from other nations to provide skimmers, vacuum ships, etc. that would be useful in confronting the massive amount of oil on the waters of the Gulf? I’m not sure if “Jones Act” implications are the root of the issue and I am sure that there are problems with bureaucratic confusion between BP, USCG and Army Corps, and Federal/State quagmire. Any experienced views or suggestions for some “clue” to clarity are welcome. [/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Cynthia;36897]How about a wee bit of perspective? The Phillip Morris company has killed more people than BP, the real estate industry has destroyed more habitat than BP, politicians have told more lies than BP, and when it comes to incompetent decisions that impacted the lives of families - America itself has done more of that in Iraq than BP has done here, so… let’s put our collective genius to understanding how to make well installations more successful. As for you or me or anyone else here ‘knowing what is in Tony Hayward’s heart’ I think I can state categorically that this is something that is impossible for us to know, so let’s not bother pretending to be able to. There. And, I get the points you are making, I just am not making this into a blood sport.[/QUOTE]

Come on now, dont compare this to tobacco, that is assinine. Every fisherman and family that depends on such fishing in the area, or tourism related, etc, etc, didnt light up a smoke and get emphysema or cancer the night when the DWH exploded. For the war, dont go there please? This forum is not here to be brought off subject.

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I’m just a minnow. I can’t help but wonder, what equipment would required to contain and remove the oil before it moves to far from the site. It’s a bare and naive question. There’s no doubt that there are substantial navigation issues but it appears that very little organized collection is being used. The concept of letting the oil wash up on the beaches is also extemely naive.

[QUOTE=Snowman03782;36899]I wonder the same but dont want to talk too much being a new fish in a big sea here. I have heard rumors of a few european dredging companies with technologies that work in this case- where are they? Apparently no here because of the flag on their stern!?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=scottnatl;36895]This may not be the appropriate forum, but here’s the question: Can anyone here explain the “Jones Act” and implications that may be acting to impede assistance from other nations to provide skimmers, vacuum ships, etc. that would be useful in confronting the massive amount of oil on the waters of the Gulf? I’m not sure if “Jones Act” implications are the root of the issue and I am sure that there are problems with bureaucratic confusion between BP, USCG and Army Corps, and Federal/State quagmire. Any experienced views or suggestions for some “clue” to clarity are welcome. [/QUOTE]
You have hit the nail on the head with your thoughts. I know prescious little about the Jones act, but in a situation with this much urgency & the country facing catastrophic conditions, the waving of such obscure laws can be done by stroke of the pin. The fact is we’ve had no command & control largely because the president has trusted BP to do the right thing, which has been proven useless. BTW, has anyone heard the breaking news that BP was well aware that the flow rate of this well was between 40,000 & 60,000 BPD from very early on in this process. I can definitely see the operating officers being brought up on federal charges of purgery & doing prison time.

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[QUOTE=scottnatl;36901]I’m just a minnow. I can’t help but wonder, what equipment would required to contain and remove the oil before it moves to far from the site. It’s a bare and naive question. There’s no doubt that there are substantial navigation issues but it appears that very little organized collection is being used. The concept of letting the oil wash up on the beaches is also extemely naive.[/QUOTE]
The answer is command & control. We need General Honore’ heading this thing up & let Thad Allen retire or look over the BP shenanigan’s at the well sight.

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oops, sorry to have polluted your forum, I’ll remove it.