Deepwater Horizon - Transocean Oil Rig Fire

[QUOTE=BLISTERS;35157]rlanasa, Confucius Say - concentrate on what is being said, not who is saying it. Right wing or lefty don’t matter, this is affecting all of us on a bipartisan level. Comprende ?[/QUOTE]

Well, Confucius, my name is not rlanasa and no, I am not in the pay of BP. I agree that this disaster is affecting all of us on a bipartisan level. But the Maddows of the world want to use is as an excuse to destroy the oil industry – and I, for one, am not anxious to live without the following products for the rest of my life:

anesthetics
antifreeze
antihistamines
antiseptics
artificial limbs
artificial turf
aspirin
awnings
balloons
ballpoint pens
bandages
basketballs
bearing grease
bicycle tires
boats
cameras
candles
car battery cases
car enamel
cassettes
caulking
cd player
cd’s
clothes
clothesline
cold cream
combs
cortisone
crayons
curtains
dashboards
denture adhesive
dentures
deodorant
detergents
dice
diesel
dishes
dishwasher
dresses
drinking cups
dyes
electric blankets
electrician’s tape
enamel
epoxy
eyeglasses
fan belts
faucet washers
fertilizers
fishing boots
fishing lures
fishing rods
floor wax
folding doors
food preservatives
football cleats
football helmets
footballs
footballs
gasoline
glycerin
golf bags
golf balls
guitar strings
hair coloring
hair curlers
hand lotion
heart valves
house paint
ice chests
ice cube trays
ink
insect repellent
insecticides
life jackets
linings
linoleum
lipstick
luggage
model cars
mops
motor oil
motorcycle helmet
movie film
nail polish
nylon rope
oil filters
paint
paint brushes
paint rollers
panty hose
parachutes
percolators
perfumes
petroleum jelly
pillows
plastic wood
purses
putty
refrigerant
refrigerators
roller skates
roofing
rubber cement
rubbing alcohol
safety glasses
shag rugs
shampoo
shaving cream
shoe polish
shoes
shower curtains
skis
slacks
soap
soft contact lenses
solvents
speakers
sports car bodies
sun glasses
surf boards
sweaters
synthetic rubber
telephones
tennis rackets
tents
tires
toilet seats
tool boxes
tool racks
toothbrushes
toothpaste
transparent tape
trash bags
tv cabinets
umbrellas
upholstery
vaporizers
vitamin capsules
water pipes
wheels
yarn

All other operators would be inn the same position if they experienced a similar accident in GOP and most likely rest of the world too. Contingency plan A for this worst case scenary is relief well drilling. Everything else is pure bonus.

So you think that the Risk Analyis “Gantt” chart that no doubt was drawn up during the HazId depicts the “real life” risk?

[QUOTE=MichaelWSmith;35206]So, in your opinion, then, the fact that thousands of wells have been safely drilled since the Ixtoc disaster is a result of mere luck on the part of the oil industry?[/QUOTE]

So you think that the Risk Analyis “Gantt” chart that no doubt was drawn up during the HazId depicts the “real life” risk?

[QUOTE=MichaelWSmith;35206]So, in your opinion, then, the fact that thousands of wells have been safely drilled since the Ixtoc disaster is a result of mere luck on the part of the oil industry?[/QUOTE]

Does it really matter how many thousands of wells have been drilled safely since Itox? It’s looking a whole lot like the Deepwater Horizon accident is well on its way to making up for all that “mere luck.” Point is, it only takes one and now we have it. Not only do we have it but it appears the safety of every person onboard the Deepwater Horizon was set aside for greed. Not only that but thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of peoples’ lives are gonna be turned upside down for a long, long time.There’s obviously room for improvement in that area.

An other question for our drillers here: This well is 13,293 feet from the mudline to TD. If there is a casing blowout say 6,517 feet below mudline that communicates with a porous area or thief zone, could there be a situation where the kill mud cannot build up sufficient vertical height to build enough static pressure to counteract the reservoir pressure even if injected at the bottom with the intercept well(s)?

In other words, is there a scenario in which even the intercept wells will not be able to kill this well?

[QUOTE=MichaelWSmith;35206]So, in your opinion, then, the fact that thousands of wells have been safely drilled since the Ixtoc disaster is a result of mere luck on the part of the oil industry?[/QUOTE]

You do understand what this thread is about, yes?

They are calling the “top hat” operation a success. Take a look at the video feed and tell me how bad failure must have looked like.

I was dubious of this contraption from the start. You can’t just set a flat rubber seal on a set of unevenly cut pipe ends and expect to create a good enough seal contain a very high pressure (9000psi? 10,000psi?) flow. You couldn’t even contain a low pressure flow with that.

I don’t understand why they didn’t fabricate a fishing tool to force thread over the riser. It could also have had gates to relieve the pressure during the installation process.

They are now running blow out simulations and kill scenarious from the top providers in the world. The key parameters they play with is flowrate and mud weight too dynamically kill the well.
They are drilling two relief wells and thus have the hydraulic power (mud pumps and mud volume) available to handle the kill for a wide range of scenarious. With this in mind they should be in a good position to kill the well but nothing is 100% for sure.

Thanks KASOL, appreciate the reply.

BTW anyone have followup from yesterday’s observation that DD II was at a new location 1.5 miles closer to DD III than it was when originally spuding it’s relief well?

This site has all 12 ROV feeds up in small screens on one page. You can double click on a screen to make it full screen. Either escape to go back to 12 screens or move your mouse and in the bottom right is the icon to go back. Nice and stable feeds.
http://www.jtnog.org/

[QUOTE=MichaelWSmith;35207]Well, Confucius, my name is not rlanasa and no, I am not in the pay of BP. I agree that this disaster is affecting all of us on a bipartisan level. But the Maddows of the world want to use is as an excuse to destroy the oil industry – and I, for one, am not anxious to live without the following products for the rest of my life:

anesthetics
antifreeze
antihistamines
antiseptics
artificial limbs
artificial turf
aspirin
awnings
balloons
ballpoint pens
bandages
basketballs
bearing grease
bicycle tires
boats
cameras
candles
car battery cases
car enamel
cassettes
caulking
cd player
cd’s
clothes
clothesline
cold cream
combs
cortisone
crayons
curtains
dashboards
denture adhesive
dentures
deodorant
detergents
dice
diesel
dishes
dishwasher
dresses
drinking cups
dyes
electric blankets
electrician’s tape
enamel
epoxy
eyeglasses
fan belts
faucet washers
fertilizers
fishing boots
fishing lures
fishing rods
floor wax
folding doors
food preservatives
football cleats
football helmets
footballs
footballs
gasoline
glycerin
golf bags
golf balls
guitar strings
hair coloring
hair curlers
hand lotion
heart valves
house paint
ice chests
ice cube trays
ink
insect repellent
insecticides
life jackets
linings
linoleum
lipstick
luggage
model cars
mops
motor oil
motorcycle helmet
movie film
nail polish
nylon rope
oil filters
paint
paint brushes
paint rollers
panty hose
parachutes
percolators
perfumes
petroleum jelly
pillows
plastic wood
purses
putty
refrigerant
refrigerators
roller skates
roofing
rubber cement
rubbing alcohol
safety glasses
shag rugs
shampoo
shaving cream
shoe polish
shoes
shower curtains
skis
slacks
soap
soft contact lenses
solvents
speakers
sports car bodies
sun glasses
surf boards
sweaters
synthetic rubber
telephones
tennis rackets
tents
tires
toilet seats
tool boxes
tool racks
toothbrushes
toothpaste
transparent tape
trash bags
tv cabinets
umbrellas
upholstery
vaporizers
vitamin capsules
water pipes
wheels
yarn[/QUOTE]

Bravo, you got a list things that someone said could only be made from oil and your point is??

I fly on airplanes about 50 times a year and I feel relatively safe doing so because various taxpayer agencies [the government] have over the years mandated safety standards which make flying in an airplane safer than driving to the airport. The Maddows [I didn’t even know what a Maddow was until recently] of the world along with the folks in the bayou just want the people we employ [government regulators] to insure that we can have all the things on your list without killing people and a clean ocean. I don’t think that’s too much to ask from the folks us citizens employ at the US government. BUT in this case we’re dealing with two foreign corporations who just screwed up the Gulf of Mexico. BP aka British Petroleum and Transocean a Swiss company. One wonders if it was a US oil company and a US rig owner things would be different. Imagine if a Mexican or Arab company just blew up a oil rig in the US gulf.

[QUOTE=tengineer;35198]People don’t buy into a safety program because they that ultimately, once you get past the propaganda it is BS. They turn in their “START” cards which are not mandatory but required [go figure that one out] just to keep the powers at be from reporting they didn’t turn one in. If they turn in too many safety cards with legitimate complaints they get either browbeat into not doing any more or otherwise discouraged. The entire safety program was designed by attorneys to lower worker injury claims which hit TOI along with every other company in the pocketbook. If workers couldn’t sue there would be no “start cards” and a lot of lawyers would be unemployed.
If BP and TOI truly have a serious safety program which is mandated for EVERYONE where are the task risk assessment, “start” and “cake” cards from the tool pusher, OIM, drilling superintendent and BP company man for the day the Horizon exploded, killing 11 men and creating a world class environmental disaster? Why didn’t any of these people use the safety programs’ ‘time out for safety’ when these decisions were being made pre-tower? Were they afraid of the consequences of shutting a job down or did they think the ‘safety program’ just applied to the lower echelon that might hurt their back or have a ‘dropped object’ land on them? Just asking.[/QUOTE]

If you want to argue with me, you will have to change the subject!

The knee jerk legislation is already targeting BOPs, not people.

[QUOTE=company man 1;35170]Corky, you mean I’m not the only one who thinks this ?[/QUOTE]

I think most of us have it figured out. Kind of reminds me of Jeff Dunham’s show. . . . . Different faces & names, but the same arm up their rear end, if you know what I mean.

Is there anyone here who can look at the Enterprise to see if she’s flaring gas? I’m assuming they would be do so if the top hat was flowing much.

[QUOTE=MichaelWSmith;35206]So, in your opinion, then, the fact that thousands of wells have been safely drilled since the Ixtoc disaster is a result of mere luck on the part of the oil industry?[/QUOTE]

Michael, I understand your concern for the impact of this on the oil industry. But, here’s some food for thought: is it your opinion that this well is just a “shit happens” anomaly and that there are no industry wide flaws in the basic deepwater well control design concept, that there were no flaws in the well design itself, that there were no flaws in the planned procedures, that there were no flaws in the implementation of the procedures, there were no flaws in any policies?

Do you think this disaster is like having driven your car down a road thousands of times and then one day a tree just happens to fall into the road just seconds before you get to it and kills you and there was nothing you could have done about it? Or do you think it’s more like driving 70 mph one car length behind another is OK even if in worst case scenario there’s no way to avoid a collision? Do you think shit just happens and that’s life and so nothing needs to change?

Do you fear the economics of deepwater drilling are about to change but needlessly? Do you not think that even though BP is in a position to hand out $10B to investors there wasn’t anything they could have done with that money that would have prevented this?

Do you not think that though T.O. was getting $533k/day for that rig they couldn’t have charged $538k and retro-fitted a back up surface BOP?

Do you not think Halliburton oversold the capabilities of the cement since the well was losing thousands of barrels of mud into the bottom?

Do you not think cementers should start a paperwork trail so that if an operator does not follow their proposal then the cementer should follow up with a written disclaimer that “if you do not follow our proposal and do it your proposed way then such and such undesirable scenario could happen….”? Same with casing hanger vendors? Etc.

Do you not think that it was just a matter of time before the Top Gun mentality, always pushing the envelope, I’ve got big balls, save time, save money, would lead to this? You think shit just happens?

I think there are changes to be made per above, and I think it might be time to build that submarine oil transport they designed 50 years ago and start gathering those underwater plumes.

[QUOTE=MichaelWSmith;35207]Well, Confucius, my name is not rlanasa and no, I am not in the pay of BP. I agree that this disaster is affecting all of us on a bipartisan level. But the Maddows of the world want to use is as an excuse to destroy the oil industry – and I, for one, am not anxious to live without the following products for the rest of my life:

anesthetics
antifreeze
antihistamines
antiseptics
artificial limbs
artificial turf
aspirin
awnings
balloons

yarn[/QUOTE]

What exactly did Maddows say in that youtube clip that made you label her a lefty ? If Maddows is a lefty, what would you label a person like the “Swamp Fox” ?

Thinking in terms of just your puny life span is a bit selfish. What about the life spans of future generations ? How will they survive without :

clean health
healthy genes
healthy babies
clean air
clean rain
clean water
clean soil
plankton
fish/food that is safe to eat
songs of birds & frogs
jobs & culture

This simple non verbose list might come across as Utopian to a person with a psyche which denies fossil fuels are a finite resource ? An addict can’t think beyond his next fix! You don’t care because you think it won’t happen in your life time. Like let our kids worry about it and clean up the mess. We don’t have to revert to the stone age to eventually be less reliant stuff you listed. Most of it is carcinogenic anyway. What good is all of that and millions you may have stashed in your bank, if your health is terminally stuffed ?

All resources are finite, as such we should use them sparingly with care and respect to allow transition for alternatives or even recycling or improved efficiency. Technology is available to exploit these resources wisely, with no need for rape pillage and plunder. Most everything I use is derived from petrochemical products. Stuff made of metal and glass still need energy to forge them. I own up and acknowledge my reliance on the keyboard and computer screen I use now, but that don’t make me complicit with negligence like using el cheapo methods to extract hydrocarbons nor justify profit for the sake of greed.

ALL BLOWOUTS ARE PREVENTABLE !..even ones precipitated by heavy rain, lightening and hurricanes. I have been a bonafide rig pig for the last 3 decades but always refused to shove my snout into the trough. I am yet to miss a kick on my watch. I refuse to work for shonky outfits.The vast majority of the wells I was on, were done safely with sound quality engineering and materials, by well paid and qualified or experienced engineers, who rose up the ranks by shear hard work and merit, and not because he was bum buddies with persons of high rank or status. I run a tight ship and when I sniff out a shyster that poses a danger, I run his ass off and it don’t matter if he is the son of a big wig somewhere. I am well aware of the repercussions that will ensue but would rather put up with that than go global to evoke sympathy with shameless gibberish like “I want my life back”.

The vast majority of rig personnel I have worked with, love the sight of whales, giant graceful sting rays, nautilus and the exotic wild life we get to see in some fantastic locations. It is the ones who were born and bred in predominantly plastic artificial and or visibly or invisibly filthy environments who worry me most. A good number climb the ladder rapidly. Actually they are not capable of climbing for fear of heights but get winched to the top.

Are you in denial that the damage that has been done and will further be done until BP kills this well, will be permanent ? Perhaps you just push this out of your mind ? …bacteria will look after the problem.

Then again that much awaited time for when we hope BP will kill the well, might not be the end but just the beginning given the incompetence that’s led to this catastrophe. You can label people who think outside the box, commies or heretics, burn them at the stake but Mocondo is one hell of a super field with expected CONTROLLED flow rates of 50,000 bopd. I don’t know about you but I’m scared ******** and never felt this helpless, not just due to the scale of this catastrophe but also because of the unbelievable shameless psychological inexactitude and cognitive dissonance displayed by BP’s brand of public relations. I won’t believe anything they say unless they deny it. It gives us all in the industry a very bad name. Nobody is going to believe us when we say we care about nature and the environments we drill in.

I have no choice but to trust that BP and the rest of the industry helping, will kill this well soon if not at the very least, later, and pay less time factoring effects their operations and announcements will have on BP’s share value come Monday. If the industry feels they can’t trust them any further then they should push them aside and take over the kill before its too late.

And just FYI – Necessity is the mother of invention.The human species has so far been a resilient lot but life on this planet will go on quite nicely without us. Being on top of the food chain pyramid don’t make us and plastic indispensable.

I am an oil field engineer and support deepwater drilling but we badly need invest in technological contingency for such situations, like perhaps new subsea technology and even subsurface applications like downhole BOPs. Making new laws won’t help if persons we pay our taxes to don’t have the guts to enforce them.

The following youtube clip is dedicated to spirits who share a similar mentality like yours in hope that it will evoke a consciousness and decency that will question your futile efforts at defending a bunch of vandals cum losers. Enjoy and many thanks to the person or persons who put it together.

//youtu.be/8jP8CC2rKj4

[QUOTE=MichaelWSmith;35207]Well, Confucius, my name is not rlanasa and no, I am not in the pay of BP. I agree that this disaster is affecting all of us on a bipartisan level. But the Maddows of the world want to use is as an excuse to destroy the oil industry – and I, for one, am not anxious to live without the following products for the rest of my life:

anesthetics
antifreeze
antihistamines
antiseptics
artificial limbs
artificial turf
aspirin
awnings
balloons

yarn[/QUOTE]

Booker T. Washington figured out a long time ago that we can make the above from likes of peanut oil. The main reason we are drilling in deepwater is to satisfy fuel supply for our vehicles.

[QUOTE=tengineer;35222]Bravo, you got a list things that someone said could only be made from oil and your point is??

I fly on airplanes about 50 times a year and I feel relatively safe doing so because various taxpayer agencies [the government] have over the years mandated safety standards which make flying in an airplane safer than driving to the airport. The Maddows [I didn’t even know what a Maddow was until recently] of the world along with the folks in the bayou just want the people we employ [government regulators] to insure that we can have all the things on your list without killing people and a clean ocean. I don’t think that’s too much to ask from the folks us citizens employ at the US government. BUT in this case we’re dealing with two foreign corporations who just screwed up the Gulf of Mexico. BP aka British Petroleum and Transocean a Swiss company. One wonders if it was a US oil company and a US rig owner things would be different. Imagine if a Mexican or Arab company just blew up a oil rig in the US gulf.[/QUOTE]

[I]“ZUG, SWITZERLAND, Jun 03, 2010 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) --Transocean Ltd. (NYSE: RIG) (SIX: RIGN) announced today that the Management Committee of SIX Swiss Exchange has ruled in favor of an extraordinary inclusion of Transocean Ltd. in the Swiss Market Index (SMI®) and the SLI Swiss Leader Index. SIX Swiss Exchange announced that the Transocean shares would be included in these indices effective June 21, 2010. [/I]
[I]Transocean, Ltd. is the world’s largest offshore drilling contractor and the leading provider of drilling management services worldwide. With a fleet of 139 mobile offshore drilling units plus three ultra-deepwater units under construction, Transocean’s fleet is considered one of the most modern and versatile in the world due to its emphasis on technically demanding segments of the offshore drilling business. Transocean owns or operates a contract drilling fleet of 45 High-Specification Floaters (Ultra-Deepwater, Deepwater and Harsh-Environment semisubmersibles and drillships), 26 Midwater Floaters, 10 High-Specification Jackups, 55 Standard Jackups and other assets utilized in the support of offshore drilling activities worldwide. [/I]
[I]For more information about Transocean, please visit our website at www.deepwater.com. [/I]
[I]SOURCE: Transocean Ltd” http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=113031&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1433878&highlight=[/I]

Looks like a reward…

Deepwater Horizon Response UPDATE: The LMRP Cap is in place and nitrogen pressure head is slowly being reduced in the riser. Throughout the day, the vents in the cap will be closed as production begins on the surface. The goal is to ensure methane hydrates do not form in the cap.

Nitrogen? How does this thing work?

well said blisters. there is no reason on this earth, given the number of wells in the gom, that there aren’t provisions already in place, on standby, at all times, for just such a situation. why should we have had to wait even for a day for boom to be shipped in? it seems like we waited for the horses to get out of the barn before anybody even thought of closing the gate. it would have much easier to clean up if contained in open water than waiting for it to reach the marshes where it will be almost impossible to clean up.