I find it funny how with every post to try to sound better, he/she just shows themselves to be more of an idiot!
[QUOTE=LI_Domer;94883]Sorry Cap. ButâŚ
It was the 3/M on watch (a KP Grad btw) on the Valdez.[/quote]
Sorry LI_Domer but Cousins was not from any academyâŚthe AB on watch (Maureen Jones) was but I cannot recall which school she was from? The story going around AK at the time was that Cousins was hitting on her out on the bridgewing just before the grinding screech happened. He was an incompetent and Hazelwood should have known he couldnât be trusted on the bridge by himself. Hell, he should have told Jones to call him the second she saw any danger which she did. Too bad though she just told Cousins who should have ordered emergency astern rather than the try to miss the reef. Doubtful VALDEZ could have stopped in time but with less speed the number of tanks breached might have been lessened and a smaller spill as a result.
Heiwa you seriously have zero credibility.
This however you got SPOT ON RIGHT! Heiwa is a BOZO and only a STOOPID FOOL stays here to continue to receive such a lambasting!
Completely unrelated, but Heiwa posted a link to âhis professional websiteâ which through the links it becomes apparent that He is a conspiracy theorist who makes (somehow) a living by tossing red herrings and BS out to suit his own POV.
Heiwa: The Boulder was tossed up that high into the side of the CC by a US nuclear submarine. They did this to make the Italian Navy look bad. This is true, because the Government is trying to cover up the WTC âincidentâ.
Have you just STOPPED taking your meds?
[QUOTE=ElCapitan;94860]If itâs so safer and better in Europe why do car carriers ( Mv Baltic) and ferries keep sinking? Let me guess, it was the water tight doors fault?[/QUOTE]
?? If there is an incident, you evidently have to investigate it and not just blame the Master. If the vessel then sinks, you have to find out why. KISS!
No grounding=no flooding
[QUOTE=âz-drive;94912â]No grounding=no flooding[/QUOTE]
And, within XX hours of sailing the entire complement of passengers MUST attend a lifeboat drill. ( Or not?).
On a side note, I would LOVE to see the vessels stability letter in reference to the operation, use and maintenance of watertight doors on this class vessel. (Both in port and at sea). Iâm wondering if Shittino even was AWARE of such a letter.I know⌠The ordinary practice of a seaman and allâŚ
[QUOTE=LI_Domer;94883]Sorry Cap. ButâŚ
Heiwa, what world are you from?! It was the 3/M on watch (a KP Grad btw) on the Valdez. And the US just blamed the Captain and didnât improve any regulations?? Guess youâve never heard of MARPOL or double bottom requirements? Heiwa you seriously have zero credibility.[/QUOTE]
Well, I developed the [B]Coulombi Egg, CE, tanker[/B] (http://heiwaco.tripod.com/ce_coulombiegg.htm ) and got it approved by the IMO 1997 as equivalent to (better than) Double Hull according to Marpol 13F so evidently I have no no credibility. INTERTANKO thought the CE concept was very good.
The Heiwa CE tanker has no double bottom but had Exxon Valdez been CE there would have been no spill at all. USCG didnât like it at all. After IMO had approved the CE tanker as equivalent to Double Hull the USA prevented CE tankers to enter US ports!
Amazing, isnât it?
Actually US interests wanted first to buy my CE patents but when I refused to sell, the result was a US ban.
Re Exxon Valdez maybe the female 3/O KP graduate had an affair with the AB (also a KP graduate) on the bridge that confused the helmsman so the VLCC ran aground? I wasnât there. I just heard about it afterwards. Poor Hazelwood was in his cabin. I have even visited KP. Wasnât impressed!
Here we discuss what happened to Costa Concordia. I think she capsized 14 January 2012 due to progressive flooding through an open watertight door that should not have been fitted in the first place. And I do not think Captain Schettino fitted the door or kept it open. What do you think?
Try to focus on the topic and pls, do not insult me with stupidities.
[QUOTE=âHeiwa;94915â]
Well,âŚ
Try to focus on the topic and pls, do not insult me with stupidities.[/QUOTE]
Ok. Some facts for your adjustment. You have been told four times here: The officer on the bridge of the valdez was Male. He was NOT a maritime graduate. His name was Gregory Cousins. If youâre going to argue try to pay attention to details.
Obviously you have never actually served as master. Anything that happens on a vessel is the DIRECT responsibility ofâŚThe Master. Of course Shittino didnât âfitâ, design, PR install the W/T doors. He was not even in charge of ensuring that they were operated in accordance with stability, class or seamanship guidelines. However, he (as Master) is responsible that HIS CREW was! Was / Is RINA responsible? Absolutely. P.S. The WTC was Not brought down by explosives planted earlier by unknown US government agencies.
The following is dated however the information is useful. Iâve been informed that Gregory Cousins is no longer sailing however that can not be verified. His License was suspended for nine months. Also, by the grapevine, Cousins and Hazelwood were not on good terms before the horrible spill.
Greg Cousins was sailing with Liberty (MEBA) as CM in 2007. Not sure if he still is today.
[QUOTE=cappy208;94919] Anything that happens on a vessel is the DIRECT responsibility ofâŚThe Master. [/QUOTE]
Sorry, you do not know what you are talking about (like many others on this forum). Take, e.g. an oil tanker. A new Master X arrives on the vessel and on the first trip the tanker starts to leak oil due to a structural defect in a cargo tank. Is Master X responsible for the structural defect?
Shall the Master do close up inspection of the complete structure of all the tanks of the vessel prior departure?
Can he do it? Is there time to do it?
Evidently not. The condition/design of the ship is the responsibility of ⌠the ship owner. And people ashore assisting the ship owner.Like me! The Master is just supposed to load the tanker and then navigate it from A to B.
Same applies to Captain Schettino and the 20+ illegal watertight doors fitted on Costa Concordia and apparently approved by the authorities. Schettinos job was to keep the passengers happy with, e.g. showing off the ship close to a virtually uninhabited island in the middle of a winter night. And it went wrong due to some mistake. A typical accident. But nobody died. No Exxon Valdez oil spill due to hankypanky on the bridge!
And Schettino & Co anchor the vessel and evacuate 98% of all aboard using the LSA. And then - SUDDENLY - the vessel CAPSIZES and Schettino is thrown into the water. And some people drown.
Do you suggest that Captain Schettino caused the ship to capsize? Is the Master DIRECTLY responsible for a surprise like that? I do not think so. But it is just my opinion. Do not suggest that I am part of a secret plan with others to do something wrong, i.e. conspire, unless you can prove it.
âDo you suggest that Captain Schettino caused the ship to capsize?â
Fuckinâ A right I do!
[B]FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE STOP, STOP, STOP and STOP ANSWERING THIS IDIOTIC FOOL[/B]
[QUOTE=Heiwa;94786]It seems you are not up-to-date with SOLAS and its water tight doors rules that have changed a lot since 1960 or 1974. I explain the latest SOLAS rules in my report at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/news8.htm .
What company insurance plot are you thinking of?
Pls, do not suggest I do not know what I am talking about after 40+ years in shipping and having inspected 60+ passenger ships and bought 20, most of them with incorrect W/T doors, LSA, etc, etc.[/QUOTE]
All right. I got you sorted and assuredly have some of your âcruise shipâ reports in our data base. Iâll get back to you.
Meantime, stick to the facts⌠it help will help your clients better.
If the Master and his officers are not held accountable for anything then I wanna work jn Italy. This must be why Shit-Tino didnât think twice about doing the dumbass maneuver he was attempting. Man it must be wide ass open on Italian merchant ships. Iâm talking like bottle of scotch in one hand and doobie in the other while on watch type of wide open.
Shittino strikes me as some kind of sociopath, given his comments one year later. He has no capacity for self-reflection other than blaming others and making excuses. One year later, 32 dead, big ship still sitting on the rocks, and he has âno regrets.â Poor baby. Somebody give him a cookie.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/concordia-captain-no-regrets-181741643.html
The captain of the Costa Concordia, which ran aground a year ago leaving 32 dead, understands why people âhateâ him, but said he has no regrets.
The cruise ship carrying vacationers hit the rocks off the Italian island Giglio when it went off its preprogrammed course so that islanders could get a better view of the vessel.
In an interview with NBC News, the captain, Francesco Schettino, who is accused of multiple manslaughters and wrecking and abandoning ship (he reportedly left the ship before it had been emptied of passengers), said he was misunderstood.
âEverybody believes that I was escaping from the sinking ship,â he said. However, Schettino recalled that he âtried to make an effort to make sure that I was the last one to leave the shipâfrom the sinking side."
He added that the blame should be shared with lower-ranking officers on the ship that night, who, he claims, handed control of the ship over to him minutes before running aground. He said, âI regret that I was trusting [of that officer]. I was trusting him before the accident, and also after the accident. And I have been living with these things inside me. I will never trust anyone anymore because this was a very deadly mistake.â
Schettino also said he had no way of knowing how many people were still on board the ship when he got off: âPeople donât understand that the ship is 58 meters [nearly 200 feet] wide, so you donât have a chance to see who else is left on the other side. And in the moment the floor started to become steeper, you have no other option: To die, or to swim." He added, âSo I regret nothing."
The captain, currently in Naples, declined to attend the memorials held to commemorate the one-year anniversary of the tragedy.
Mr, Bjorkman wonders why his COULOMBI EGG tanker design has not be accepted by the world tanker community?
HELLO! DO YOU THINK THE NAME MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT? EGGS ARE FRAGILE AND BREAK LIKEâŚEGGS AND THE INSIDES ALL RUN OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE AND MAKE A BIG EFFING MESS!
sheesh!
[QUOTE=âc.captain;94963â]Mr, Bjorkman wonders why his COULOMBI EGG tanker design has not be accepted by the world tanker community?[/QUOTE]
Bjorkman KNOWS why his design is rejected. He just wonât admit it! This is his fatal flaw. Even when repeatedly told who the people on the bridge of the Valdez, He keeps rambling on about the female mate. Facts donât mean anything, except for him to spin.
Bjorkman: You lost any remaining credibility when you sputtered this little tidbit: âThe Master is only responsible for loading and discharging the tanker and getting it from point a to point b.â Sorry Old Chap. You have been in the pocket of the officeâ for far too long. Your earlier example of a Master joining a vessel that has a structural defect is another âred herringâ. The CC had no structural defect. She was built to class. Was she being operated according to regulation? Did the crew follow the directions of the Master? Did the Master even give any orders? Did the entire Officer corp understand and follow the stability instruction? (I am willing to bet that there IS a stability letter that says all WT doors must be.closed while at sea (or underway)). Instead of throwing out some vague crap about your misguided theories and supposed understanding of a Masters Responsibilities, why not do some digging into RINA, and find out what a CC class vessel stability letter reads? Then find out what (then) were both the âofficialâ and working practice concerning the beloved W/T doors.
Regarding your egg, I completely understand why it did not get approved in the USA. It is for the same reason you do not understand how the boulder got perched UP in the port side of the CC with no accompanying bottom damage. Side shell damage occurs in incidents too. Sometimes down low, as in CC. Sometimes up high like Cosco Busan. Your coveted Egg (by the way, coulda, woulda, shoulda need to be taken OUT of your vocabulary!) FAILS to protect against sideshell and deck edge damage, as well as structural damage AFTER a grounding (if the side shell fractures after initial grounding). Your Egg concept is the same as âStatic Loadingâ. This concept was also denied in the USA. So quit thinking your idea is so novel. Others thought up alternative loading ideas long before you âsupposedlyâ invented it! Single hull is still single hull no matter how good a concept your egg would appear.
C captain, please pass your pointy stick over to Cappy.
Heâs pretty deadly with a keyboard there, and apparently we are not all the ignorant merchant seamen scum my mother felt we were.
[QUOTE=cappy208;94968] The CC had no structural defect. She was built to class. Was she being operated according to regulation? [/QUOTE]
As I say at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/news8.htm#6 :
[I]MSC.1/Circ.1380 10 December 2010 Annex 1.2 about GUIDANCE FOR WATERTIGHT DOORS ON PASSENGER SHIPS WHICH MAY BE OPENED DURING NAVIGATION is very clear:
1.1 Watertight subdivision is vital to ship stability and survivability to protect life, property and the marine environment in cases of hull damage [B][U]after collision or grounding[/U][/B]. The number of openings in watertight bulkheads on passenger ships is to be kept to a minimum in accordance with SOLAS regulation II-1/13.1 (previous SOLAS regulation II-1/15.1).[/I]
If you think 25 watertight doors are minimum to comply with SOLAS, I think you should have your head examined.
Evidently the Costa Concordia was not built to class and unseaworthy even in port.