I think it will be hard not only on the cruise shipping. Chinese ports have almost shut down, so no tankers or containers are needed. And there is quarantine everywhere in the neighborhood. They say it will be a major breakdown https://maritime-zone.com/en/news/view/coronavirus-impact-on-the-shipping-industry
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Confined to cabins with very limited exercise breaks.
But the hotel crew of course are still cheek by jowl and are delivering meals to the cabins.
Are you talking about this?
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yes
he was on TV having now recovered
According to that article there were 109 employees present plus (briefly) eight members of a performing troupe) and that five cases have so far resulted. Thatâs some ways from âeveryone at the meetingâ.
Itâs not âat seaâ part anymore. Who has seen the hotline to call when you have symptoms ? Heard about this coming 2wks ago, GF is an RN, her family works for the gov, we are in deeper shit than we think.
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wasnt reported like that at the beginning it sounded like small meeting
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Alongside in Yokohama.
Can you elaborate?
YOKOHAMA, Japan â American passengers under coronavirus lockdown on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Yokohama were told Saturday of U.S. plans to take them home. But some were outraged by the new rules: 14 days more quarantine back in the United States.
âItâs completely devastating,â said Karey Sells, 44, from St. George, Utah. âIf they wanted to keep us under quarantine for an additional period, they should have picked us up 10 days ago. They should have done their job.â
The announcement was a shift from previous U.S. statements that the passengers were best serving out their quarantine on board the ship, and that passengers would not have to serve out an additional quarantine period on their return home.
The Japanese government also announced that another 67 people on board the cruise ship were found to have the new coronavirus, out of the latest batch of 217 who were tested, although more than half showed no symptoms. That brings to 285 the numbers of passengers and crew who have been found to be infected out of 930 tested, more than 30 percent. âŚ
New cases on the ship
The cruise ship, with 2,666 passengers and 1,045 crew, was placed in 14-days quarantine on Feb. 5, a process that was due to end on Feb. 19, at which passengers had expected to be able to return home. But as more tests were carried out on passengers and crew, it became obvious that a high percentage had the virus, and experts warned there was a risk it could still be spreading on board the ship.
In acknowledgment of those risks, Japan changed course this week and began evacuating some passengers before the quarantine period ended, beginning with people over 80 years old and with underlying health problems. It also stepped up its program of testing passengers.
After initially backing Japanâs approach toward the ship, the U.S. government has now also implicitly acknowledged that the Diamond Princess may not have been the best place to keep its citizens.
âWe are deeply grateful to the cruise line and government of Japan for working diligently to contain and control the spread of the illness,â the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo wrote in an email to Americans on board the ship.
âHowever, to fulfill our governmentâs responsibilities to U.S. citizens under our rules and practices, as well as to reduce the burden on the Japanese health care system, the U.S. government recommends, out of an abundance of caution, that U.S. citizens disembark and return to the United States for further monitoring.â
Medical experts have expressed concerns the virus could still be spreading on board the ship, possibly through the crew, or even perhaps through the air conditioning system â although the captain has repeatedly assured passengers the air in their cabins is fresh rather than recycled. More than 20 crew members have tested positive for the virus.
The email said the State Department, working closely with the Department of Health and Human Services and other agencies, will provide a chartered aircraft to passengers directly from Japan to the Travis Air Force Base in California, and for some passengers on to Lackland Air Force Base in Texas.
The aircraft will arrive in Japan on Sunday evening. Passengers will be screened for symptoms and then taken by bus to the aircraft. âWe are working with our Japanese partners to ensure that any symptomatic passengers receive the required care in Japan if they cannot board the flight,â the embassy said.
âTravelers returning to the United States from high-risk areas are required to undergo quarantine. Accordingly, you will need to undergo further quarantine of 14 days when you arrive in the United States,â the email said.
âWe understand this is frustrating and an adjustment, but these measures are consistent with the careful policies we have instituted to limit the potential spread of the disease.â
Passengers who choose not to return on this flight will be unable to return to the United States âfor a period of time,â the embassy wrote.
The Chinese have admitted it may have escaped from a bio lab they have that is 250m from the wet market.
The lab has bats in it as they are researching themâŚ
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They EAT bats, snakes etc on a regular basis. The virus didnât have to escape from some lab. Animals have had it for a long time. Meanwhile in the USA one has a much better chance of dying from the normal flu of the season, a car accident or some loon with a gun than corona virus.
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Just wait a bitâŚand we will see!
During the last days it seems, the real experts on propagation of this nasty virus say something like âevery day we are learning⌠we still donât know yetâ.
Indeed, the self-proclaimed âexpertsâ know all about the proliferation of this virus!
I am sure, the experiment of holding 4000 people together in quarantine on board the âDiamond Princessâ is strictly followed by the real experts, to learn about the propagation.
With hindsight, this experiment seems not to have been very successful for the people on boardâŚ
The experiment, intentional or not, was successful in proving the virus will still spread in situations where contact between people is limited and would spread quickly in the absence of a quarantine.
Much like those Nazi experiments on hypothermia, anatomy and chemical effects on humans that, while appalling, turned out to be helpful to mankind.
So letâs review the cutting-edge medical discoveries here:
- People on cruise ships can catch diseases.
- The diseases are spread by close contact with other people.
- If you donât quarantine the people, then b) will happen.
Thank goodness we live in the medically advanced year of 1920. Think of where medical research will take us by 2020!
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There is the question about how quick a disease will spread threw a population. Some, like measles, are highly contagious. One sick person in an airport or supermarket will spread it to between 12-18 susceptible people via breathing. Others, like influenza, will only spread to two or three people after contact with sneezed droplets.
Itâs important to know how many times a disease will spread from one person to another. That value is called R0 (R naught). That value can increase or decrease over time as the contagion evolves. Knowing R0 enables public health folks figure out how fast it would spread so they can plan for it.
The cruise ship is a wonderful Petri dish for learning the R0 value of the disease in a contained environment where contact between susceptible people was kept to a minimum. You can expect that in the real world the virus would spread more then the cruise ship R0 value.
The current estimate of the coronavirusâ R0 is between 1.5-3.5. Thatâs in the ballpark of influenza. That means most people would eventually catch it and stopping it would be difficult. It would be as difficult as stopping influenza but without the benefit of a vaccine.
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This has been multiply debunked and various actual experts have stated that COVID-19 does not have any of the signs of an engineered virus.
Meanwhile, quoting Barnard Collier writing on Quora,
A DOZEN USEFUL DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN THE NEW YORK POST
AND THE NEW YORK TIMES.I read the New York Post from cover to cover nearly every morning at The Flame restaurant in New York City and I have, over the years, found ways to put the Post to its best uses:
- The Post can truthfully boast an extremely reliable horoscope that is far more accurate and literate than 92% of the rest of the newspaper; the bridge column is goofy and only occasionally inaccurate. However, on Sundays, they shrink the type size to about 9 point, and itâs annoyingly hard to read. Compared to the New York Times: Post enjoys a s lightly more humorous bridge column, and there is no horoscope in the Times.
- If you have eaten something sickening unto nausea (you wonât find any such food at The Flame) then a sure cure is to read the Postâs editorials and most of the op-ed pieces, 85% of which will make a caring person vomit almost 90% of the time. (It is true, too, that although he valiantly tries, poor John Podhoretzâs scrivening is only 40% vomit-producing, and now and again, therapeutically funny. George Willâs cloudy-eyed pomposity is always too boring to bother with any longer.
- Every part of the human female body, with the occasional exception of a few pubic hairs and nipples, are available for viewing every day in the Post. This is particularly true of the Family Kardashian, whose bloated corpuses in scanty (less than 5 square yards) attire appear in all-too-vivid photographs almost daily.
- The Postâs sports section is OK and by far the best edited section of the paper. Its writers and reporters ritually leap upon and pummel any player who has a bad day; a bad week and the unlucky athlete has his or her manhood or womanhood questioned; a longer slump may mean nasty, bad-pun headlines. However, after a single good day, the same player may become an immortal hero. The Times, too, presents well edited sport pages on the weekends. Times Sunday Sports is worth pilfering from your neighborâs doorstep.
- Front page, right hand, top-of-the page Times stories are lucky to earn a single paragraph at the bottom of page 15 in the Post.
- Even if you firmly believe Mayor Di Blasio is weak as water and an insult to the city you will feel pity and sympathy for him when you read how he is treated in the Post. When you read about the mayor in the Times, you merely yawn.
- There is some woman (whose name God has mercifully allowed me to forget) whose initials are A.P. (not the news service), who eats cheap and smarmy for breakfast and washes it down with slimy and smelly, and thatâs on a pretty good day. There is absolutely nobody on the Times editorial staff who could possibly rival her in brown-nosed sleaze. She is righteously proud of this distinction.
- The front page headlines of the Times are like sex with almost all your clothes on. The Postâs front page headlines are like sex on the down-market side of the porn hubs. If you want to understand what that feels like, imagine being a prick with a surname like Weiner.
- The Post fits fairly well on the smaller booth tables of The Flame and its tabloid size allows for easy page turning. In a narrow space, The Times demands acrobatics and a talent for origami to read, with many jumped stories that require page turning. The Post rarely jumps a story, or needs to.
- In the Times, Hillary Clinton is treated with due respect and consideration, although not with true love. At the Post she is treated with pusillanimous loathing, as if she is not a woman but a wicked witch who terrifies the boobocracy. The Post had a closeted man crush on Donald Trump, and after the first 100 Days feels a mild nausea about it.
- Neither paper has anyone writing for it whose work is reliably funny. Clever, yes. Funny, seldom. One wonders why not.
- The Times is the clear winner when it comes to the ultimate utilitarian test of a newspaper ~ to kindle fires in a fireplace. The paper the Times is printed on burns hotter and faster than the cheaper, slightly spongier paper used by the Post. The Post burns best when ripped into shreds; the Times is best to roll into tubes and fold.
Not all agree with him. You can read multiple other answers at https://www.quora.com/How-reliable-is-the-New-York-Post-compared-to-other-newspapers?share=1 â with an interesting range of opinions on its reliability.
I am wondering how much of an impact Corona virus is going to have on maritime jobs, and the economy, in the United States.
This virus kills about 2% of the people that catch it. If it becomes a pandemic that infects the entire US population, that would be about 7 million people dead in the US.
Whatâs 2% of 7 billion people on Earth.
the chinese have said they have bats in a lab 250m from the wet market and the scientists said it could have been created in their lab ( naturally) and escaped.
They also have the practice of selling the animals from the lab for a little extra cash when they are finished with them.
Hence the announcement by the gov they have to step up their bio-security country wideâŚI wonder why??