Combining Licenses? getting diffrent answers from NMC Help center

Hello and thank you for any help,

I originally started offshore with OUPV and TOWING Vessels.  I was originally issued a mate 100ton OUPV with Near coastal (eventually moved up to master)  Afterwards I was grandfathered my towing endorsement 100 ton master of towing upon inland, western river and great lakes( but not near coastal).  So now as my license reads I have the following:

Master of steam or motor vessels of not more than 100 grt upon Inland waters (radar obs unlimited)
Master of towing vessels of not more than 100 grt upon inland waters and western rivers (radar obs unlimited)
Mate of Steam or motor vessels of not more than 100 grt upon near coastal waters (radar obs unlimited)
Master of self propelled vessels not including auxilary sail of less than 100 grt upon near coastal waters

My main goal is to somehow combine these licenses or simplify so that I can also do offshore towing again. Is this possible?? And of course I am going to need more tonnage so do I have to upgrade each section individually or can I raise my tonnage across the board? I have years of seatime and still employed just looking to advance as always. Also I am scheduled to do what is called a crossover class to remove the tonnage limitation on my inland ltowing license. Thanks for any help of this mess I have!!
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[B]REMOVE TONNAGE LIMITATION[/B]
For mariners who were grandfathered with tonnage to match the inspected
deck officer endorsement (Example: Master 100 GRT inspected with
[B]Master T/V 100 GRT)[/B]. Not to be used for limited geographic endorsements

[QUOTE]MLD-WI
5434-02(01)

  1. 24 months service as Master or Mate (Pilot) of towing vessels, and 2. Completion of AMS exam or an exam for service on vessels of at least 200 GRT.
    [/QUOTE]

All the other stuff should be streamlined when you renew I would think, some of that’s redundant
[B]
Best bet, as usual, is get a 500-ton master near coastal.[/B] You’ll need a NC TOAR too. That way you get a better tonnage license easily upgraded to 1600 and your MOTV.

[QUOTE=z-drive;162045]All the other stuff should be streamlined when you renew I would think, some of that’s redundant
[B]
Best bet, as usual, is get a 500-ton master near coastal.[/B] You’ll need a NC TOAR too. That way you get a better tonnage license easily upgraded to 1600 and your MOTV.[/QUOTE]

Yeah 500 would be fine. Just anything besides a damn 100!!! Now…All my seatime was a long time ago and the majority of those companies are gone…I have some of the sea service and presently employed INLAND. How would I go about getting a TOAR NC?? Do I have to leave my present job just to go ride somewhere?? Maybe do it one my time off?? Any ideas. I want it to be legitimate. Thanks for any help

[QUOTE=boattrash9;162010]Hello and thank you for any help,

I originally started offshore with OUPV and TOWING Vessels.  I was originally issued a mate 100ton OUPV with Near coastal (eventually moved up to master)  Afterwards I was grandfathered my towing endorsement 100 ton master of towing upon inland, western river and great lakes( but not near coastal).  So now as my license reads I have the following:

Master of steam or motor vessels of not more than 100 grt upon Inland waters (radar obs unlimited)
Master of towing vessels of not more than 100 grt upon inland waters and western rivers (radar obs unlimited)
Mate of Steam or motor vessels of not more than 100 grt upon near coastal waters (radar obs unlimited)
Master of self propelled vessels not including auxilary sail of less than 100 grt upon near coastal waters

My main goal is to somehow combine these licenses or simplify so that I can also do offshore towing again. Is this possible?? And of course I am going to need more tonnage so do I have to upgrade each section individually or can I raise my tonnage across the board? I have years of seatime and still employed just looking to advance as always. Also I am scheduled to do what is called a crossover class to remove the tonnage limitation on my inland ltowing license. Thanks for any help of this mess I have!!
:confused:[/QUOTE]

You should be able to remove the tonnage restriction from Master of Towing Vessels endorsement by taking the inland and western rivers Apprentice Mate (Steersman) exams.

After getting the tonnage limit removed, you can get [U]MATE[/U] of towing vessels near coastal by completing the Apprentice Mate near coastal exam. After that, you can get Master of Towing Vessels near coastal by completing the near coastal TOAR.

Or, you could get Master 500 near coastal and complete the near coastal TOAR.

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[QUOTE=z-drive;162045]All the other stuff should be streamlined when you renew I would think, some of that’s redundant[/QUOTE]

The only redundancy I see is Master 100 Inland and Master 100 N/C. Given the difference in wording ([I]not more than[/I] 100 GRT vs. [I]less than[/I] 100 GRT) it appears that the near coastal endorsement was added after the inland endorsement and was done as a sticker added to an MMC that already had the inland endorsement, thus the apparent redundancy. If that’s the case, the inland endorsement would be removed the next time a new MMC book is issued.

Thank you guys for all your help!!! Yes Mr Cavo the Master NC was added later (back when I had the old paper licenses lol) and then the grandfather master of towing came into play. I noticed later on they did not add the endorsement as master so the sticker came after…man your good!!!

Okay one last question and I will quit bothering you guys!!

So it looks like there is schooling in my near future. I am being offered what is called a “crossover course” to “bring me up to 200 ton…then remove the tonnage restriction” on my inland master of towing license. When I asked if it was valid for near coastal they mentioned yes it was. So with all this being said should I try to move forward with the 500ton mate of towing near coastal? That is what I am after eventually (or at least return to offshore towing) or would that testing qualify me for anything better? I would like to keep all my licenses to have options in this crazy industry we work. But also want to advance while and when I am able.

Thanks again.

I have replied to all of your comments and it’s not showing up…this is a test.

[QUOTE=boattrash9;162075]Thank you guys for all your help!!! Yes Mr Cavo the Master NC was added later (back when I had the old paper licenses lol) and then the grandfather master of towing came into play. I noticed later on they did not add the endorsement as master so the sticker came after…man your good!!!

Okay one last question and I will quit bothering you guys!!

So it looks like there is schooling in my near future. I am being offered what is called a “crossover course” to “bring me up to 200 ton…then remove the tonnage restriction” on my inland master of towing license. When I asked if it was valid for near coastal they mentioned yes it was. So with all this being said should I try to move forward with the 500ton mate of towing near coastal? That is what I am after eventually (or at least return to offshore towing) or would that testing qualify me for anything better? I would like to keep all my licenses to have options in this crazy industry we work. But also want to advance while and when I am able.[/QUOTE]

Jdcavo answered all your questions.

Also, be very wary of what schools tell you you “need”!!!

[QUOTE=jdcavo;162062]You should be able to remove the tonnage restriction from Master of Towing Vessels endorsement by taking the inland and western rivers Apprentice Mate (Steersman) exams.

After getting the tonnage limit removed, you can get [U]MATE[/U] of towing vessels near coastal by completing the Apprentice Mate near coastal exam. After that, you can get Master of Towing Vessels near coastal by completing the near coastal TOAR.

Or, you could get Master 500 near coastal and complete the near coastal TOAR.[/QUOTE]