Seems to me it’ll take companies a while to go along with this though. How many boats out there are actually going to stop keeping their paper charts up to date? Some I’m sure, but not many at first. I don’t doubt that eventually we will all be paperless but even with this NVIC it’s still going to take a while before that becomes reality.
Anybody have any idea what ECS’s are RTCM-A compliant?
(According to the NVIC, it looks like that is the only type that can be used instead of paper charts.)
I think It would be a bit weird not to have a chart laid out while you’re navigating. You can only see so much on a small computer monitor. However, I can see some pencil pushers trying to save a buck putting a kibosh on any spending of paper charts if it isn’t required. Even if it is a minuscule amount.
Welcome to the 21st century
If you have ecdis paper charts are a waste of time, effort and money.
The argument that “Paper charts are used less frequently due to a loss of traditional skills among seafarers.” is garbage, they are used less frequently because they are a pain in the ass compared to ECDIS. Same reason why almost all car users use a GPS rather than a road atalas, it’s far easier and convenient.
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[QUOTE=Quimby;178821]You can only see so much on a small computer monitor.[/QUOTE]
Get a bigger monitor.
I would be interested to see a list from the USCG of which ECS vendors will be meeting the standards. I expect/hope that Rosepoint’s ECS will be among them, but I haven’t seen anything that refutes the redundancy issue related to a fully electronic system.
It’s hard enough to get an A/C repairman down let alone a new monitor since the boat was taken off contract and warm stacked. Might be easy for you to get shit. Not me, sir.
[QUOTE=captbbrucato;178858]I would be interested to see a list from the USCG of which ECS vendors will be meeting the standards. I expect/hope that Rosepoint’s ECS will be among them, but I haven’t seen anything that refutes the redundancy issue related to a fully electronic system. [/QUOTE]
West of England P&I Club issued this Guidance for their members: http://www.westpandi.com/Publications/News/Archive/SOLAS---Mandatory-Requirements-for-ECDIS-and-BNWAS/
Don’t know if this is relevant for USCG requirements though. (They seams to try to be different on most things)
Is this the fix for the issue that was disscused in this thread ECDIS and Paper Charts?
So having now read through the NVIC I can see that all it really does is reference what the Radio Technical Commission for Maritime Services (RTCM) has to say about electronic navigation software. You actually have to pay for the RTCM standard guidelines on their website but with a bit of googling I found a “cliff-notes” of sorts. The NVIC says that paper charts can be replaced by RTCM class A, B, and C systems. Class A is a regular ECDIS. B and C have to be able to interface with AIS and radar, have collision avoidance functions and must comply with IMO standards for S-VDR. That’s where I get a bit confused. Your average ECS like Coastal Explorer can do AIS and radar, but is it an S-VDR? I was not able to hunt down the S-VDR standards referenced by RTCM. Does anyone know if ECS systems like Coastal Explorer meet S-VDR standards?
[QUOTE=Kennebec Captain;178870]Is this the fix for the issue that was disscused in this thread ECDIS and Paper Charts?[/QUOTE]
Yes, this NVIC appears to fix that issue.
Oh it (rose point etc) works great until the old man installs some gambling game or the engineer gets a porn virus on it.
Paper charts aren’t really that expensive are they though? We Maybe replace a dozen a year at $25 a piece?
[QUOTE=z-drive;178903]Oh it (rose point etc) works great until the old man installs some gambling game or the engineer gets a porn virus on it.
Paper charts aren’t really that expensive are they though? We Maybe replace a dozen a year at $25 a piece?[/QUOTE]
For a GOM workboat no. If you are on a bulker, tanker, heavy lift ship, or whatever in world wide trade it can be substantial. Either keep a full suite of charts up to date, or buy new charts when heading to a place/part of the world the ship hasn’t been to for a long time.
I have coastal charts on my boat from Maine to Brownsville, NY harbor charts, Chesapeake Bay charts, Jax, Charleston, and a few other ports we frequent in the chart drawer, all of which my relief and I keep up to date. The only time they come out of the drawer is for correcting them and if we want to see a view larger than our Rose Point computer. We also have a furuno chartplotter with raster charts on it. So we are good there.
Honestly I would be more excited to have an electronic version of the light list. That’s a pain to keep corrected and how many of us actually pull it out and use it?
And those who use the chart plotter for non navigational uses are heckled, shamed, and made to feel bad.
I do my coast pilot and light list electronically. There’s a CG policy Letter on how to do it.
For real? Where can I find that info?
I keep them electronically also. I download the entire book at the beginning of the year, then download the corrections weekly. So much easier then correcting the books.
On November 26, the U.S. Coast
Guard issued a policy letter (CG-543
Policy Letter 10-05) establishing
guidance on the carriage of required
navigation publications aboard all U.S.
vessels. U.S. vessels, including towing
vessels, may now carry required
navigation publications in an electronic
format, rather than in a paper format, if
the electronic format is readily
accessible on the vessel by the vessel’s
crew. Nautical charts must still be
carried in paper form.
Current federal regulations require
vessels to have on board a current
edition of the following publications:
U.S. Coast Guard Light List, Local
Notice to Mariners, Tide-current or
River-current tables, U.S. Coast Pilot,
regulations, and up
to date nautical publications necessary
for intended voyages. While the Coast
Guard will permit vessels to carry
these publications aboard in an
electronic format, a back-up copy must
also be kept in case the primary
electronic copy becomes inaccessible.
The back-up may be stored on a
second computer, CD, portable mass
storage device, paper copies, etc. If
the back-up copy is in digital format,
there must be a means of displaying it
on board the vessel.
Keep them on a flash drive so I can take them to the upper house computer.