USS J McCain / Alnic MC collision near Singapore


Seems the McCain was detected even if by a Singapore patrol vessel.

Other sources suggest the McC showed on the VTS but only as a blip - bearing in mind it is a world class VTS monitoring thousands of vessels it may have been seen as clutter.


The JSM has left Changi Naval Base. She will be transported dry to Yokosuka, Japan for final repairs according to CNA today:

She will be loaded onto Dockwise’ Treasure at ATTV2 off Tuas, on the West side of Singapore:
Here is Treasure on a previous voyage,carrying two rig:


This story link just turned up in RN chat-room :-


Another less likely but possible factor could be a tendency for a warship’s air search radar to cause random and usually temporary failure of a nearby ship’s electronics. Any MSC watchstander can attest to improperly secured air search radars causing everything from GPS failures to fire sprinkler activation to ignition of flares inside life raft canisters, destruction of smart watches and so forth.

If a ship were to get close to a warship during a transit of a crowded area (two cables or less) which seems to be possible in the approaches to the Singapore Strait then it’s easily imaginable that there would be failures of electronics including that involved in auto-navigation and steering.


All is not well in Yokosuka…


Geezus it’s a wonder this CO wasn’t shanked in a passageway or tossed down some stairs during foul wx.



Key word: ‘Preventable’ That about says it all folks.

‘Preventable’ when used with the CO means it’s something the CO had control over. As the CO can’t control the System (operation tempo, deployment schedule, budget, OPSEC and so on) the System can’t be at fault.

And as the System isn’t at fault then there’s no reason to fire anymore admirals. Blame assigned, problem solved, everyone is happy.


Same old story as Deepwater Horizon and others. Crews play a hand they were dealt by others. It is convenient for those in power to obsess on how the crew played their hand in order to divert public attention away from what kind of hand they were dealt.



For those interested the Treasure is sheltering to the west of Luzon from Typhoon Lan


From Lloyds List:

SUN, 22 OCT 2017
London. Oct 22 – A press report, dated Oct 21, states: The collision-damaged destroyer John S. McCain, en route from Singapore to Japan aboard Treasure has been diverted to the Philippines because of new structural issues and a typhoon. The destroyer developed a 4-inch-long crack along its starboard side while transiting to the Yokosuka Naval Base. Weather conditions associated with Typhoon ?Lan? had already slowed the journey to Japan, and the crack?s discovery led to the diversion to Subic Bay, Philippines. Once pier side, experts will inspect the crack and determine if any additional repairs are needed before continuing to Yokosuka. The cause of the crack and the extent of the structural issues were actually still unknown. The majority of the crew has already returned to Yokosuka, with only about 10 sailors remaining aboard the ship.


A Dockwise heavy lift vessel transporting the damaged US destroyer USS John S McCain has run into heavy weather en-route to Japan.

The 53,818-dwt Treasure (built 1990) was heading for Yokosuka, but has run into Typhoon Lan forcing it to change destination.

It has also emerged that the John S McCain has also developed a 4-inch crack in its hull, reports military publication US Naval Institute (USNI).

As a result of the heavy weather and the new damage to the US naval vessel, the Tresure is said to be diverting to the Philippines.

Dockwise to move John S McCain to Japan
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It is unclear if the new damage to the John S McCain was caused during the voyage. The crack is about four inches long on the starboard side, amidships, a US Navy official told USNI.

“Once pier side, experts will inspect the crack and determine if any additional repairs are needed before continuing to Yokosuka.

“The Treasure had already slowed because of the storm, and pulling in allows inspection of the small crack while the weather improves,” the spokesman added.

The John S. McCain was involved in a collision with Stealth Maritime’s 50,800-dwt tanker Alnic MC (built 2008) while underway east of the Straits of Malacca and Singapore on 21 August.

Ten US Navy sailors were killed, while the ship suffered significant damage to her port side aft resulting in flooding to nearby compartments.

Earlier this month the US Navy said the collision had been “preventable” and replaced the ship’s two senior officers as a result.


The HLV Treasure is still in Subic Bay:
Presumably with the JSM still on deck?

Anybody know why so long??


Maybe waiting for the navy to figure out how to stop the cargo from breaking in half.


The Treasure is still in Subic Bay:

Anybody know WTF is going on??


It looks like the Navy riding gang was playing with the ballast panel.


Can you elaborate???

The ballast control panel on Treasure is in the old Cargo Control Room on Deck A. (one level above poop deck)
I presume that it was not locked while underway, since nobody would expect anybody to “play” with anything in there.

PS> The “riders” (at least some of them) would likely occupy cabins at this and the next level up.


If we have to explain Subic Bay to you then you’re too young to know.


Yes at my tender age I probably don’t need to know about your experiences in Olongapo. It could hurt my innocent Norwegian mind.
This may help refresh your memory??:


The subject of the Navy employing “sailing masters”, with professional mariner qualifications, came up in both this thread and the Fitzgerald thread. On that subject, I thought this article from the USNI News today was of interest. It discusses the completion of the recent refit of the USS Frank Cable (AS-40) and it’s return to its homeport at Guam. The article mentions that the ship has BOTH a “C.O.” and a “Master”. The Master is a CIVilan MARiner Captain. The article is at this link:

Further explanation of the MSC’s participation in “hybrid” crews on 4 ships is mentioned here:

Some of you readers have mentioned that you are aware of this practice. Just FYI for those who aren’t. Clearly it shows a “proof of concept” if the Navy wants to consider this solution. It would be interesting to read more about how it’s working on those 4 vessels, but I haven’t found much about that yet.


At least one of the posters here has worked on one and talked about it in these threads.