Just saw this on the BBC wire…
Hoping these sailors and riverine craft are released soon but I can’t help but wonder Sec State Kerry is sweetening the nuke deal to speed things up.
I heard a Press Conference about this and the Talking Head from the Gov was asked about the Sanctions and what was being done about this. I almost got sick after hearing them basically that this had NOTHING to do with the Nuke Deal. After this I would not give anything to Iran unless it was delivered on the tip of a Missile.
[QUOTE=Tugs;177114]I heard a Press Conference about this and the Talking Head from the Gov was asked about the Sanctions and what was being done about this. I almost got sick after hearing them basically that this had NOTHING to do with the Nuke Deal. After this I would not give anything to Iran unless it was delivered on the tip of a Missile.[/QUOTE]
If an Iranian or whatever foreign naval craft of any kind happened to drift into US waters I’m sure they would have been greeted with a friendly handshake and given all assistance possible to be on their merry way, or??
probably. Nobody is patrolling the eez that thoroughly (drug runners)
Let’s wait and see what happened, and what’s going to happen next.
They are suppose to repatriate the sailors after daylight.
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They are suppose to repatriate the sailors after daylight.[/QUOTE]
On what day?
Tomorrow.
Obama will talk about the Iran Nuke deal in the State of the Union address tonight, but will not speak to the Iranian seizure of American sailors.
Let’s see if we get them back tomorrow.
A real president would have a press conference with the football. Then all that he should say is “you have ten minutes” and walk out.
Weakness invites aggression.
I doubt they accident drifted two kilometers into Iranian waters. We test and antagonize them, they test and antagonize us. Only difference this time is our guys got caught. Oops.
It’s all a very normal part of the game.
Any confirmed mistreatment of our sailors (one is female) should negate any deals effective immediately and invoke a retaliatory response.
We are soon on 20 dollars a barrel, why does the US still keep a presence in the shit hole that is the middle east? Pull out and just let Iran and Saudi Arabia duke it out.
You will save money and dont have to deal with this shit.
The Machiavelli/realpolitik folks that run successful countries know, just as the caesars of Rome knew, that entertaining the masses is key to controlling their people.
The purpose of this charade is to appease the hardliners in Iran and the United States who oppose the nuclear/sanction deal. The same goes for Iran’s recent rocket launches. Now both sides can make threatening noises and thump their chests to show their sides that they are strong and will not bend to the evil others.
The United States doesn’t want a nuclear Iran. Iran doesn’t want sanctions to continue. Both sides only get what they want by playing nice while distracting the plebeian masses.
[QUOTE=lm1883;177137]But I do agree with you, we could find more lucrative pursuits, maybe regime change in Norway?[/QUOTE]
We have the most pro US government in a decade, would be US modus operandi to fuck that up.
[QUOTE=Kraken;177138]We have the most pro US government in a decade, would be US modus operandi to fuck that up.[/QUOTE]
US sailors released and back aboard a US Navy ship.
[QUOTE=lm1883;177137]Because oil is a strategic resource and the 1970s embargo is etched in our brains. [/QUOTE]
That’s funny. It is only “strategic” in the sense that it is the source of campaign contributions. If it were really important to national security and energy independence we would not be selling off our national reserves and shipping it out on foreign flag ships.
As far as our presence in the Gulf, we are serfs and hired guns for the Saudi dictatorship. We have been hired to make sure Saudi royalty can keep their slaves, are safe from internal dissent, Israeli fanaticism. and oil company profits remain high no matter what oil prices are.
[QUOTE=z-drive;177118]probably. Nobody is patrolling the eez that thoroughly (drug runners)[/QUOTE]
Again; EEZ is NOT territorial waters and open to free navigation, even by Naval vessels. US is the main upholders of that principle, but also the one to test other’s resolve to defend their territorial waters.
The latest report that they have been released (with their crafts) is good news and as expected by most.
The excuse that their navigation system failed, or that their charts didn’t show that Farsi Island was Iranian territory, sounds like a nice excuse that both sides can accept.
I’ll advise the Navy to stop using maps picked up from airlines or whatever to navigate unfriendly waters. There are better ways to save money.
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[QUOTE=DeckApe;177136]The Machiavelli/realpolitik folks that run successful countries know, just as the caesars of Rome knew, that entertaining the masses is key to controlling their people.
The purpose of this charade is to appease the hardliners in Iran and the United States who oppose the nuclear/sanction deal. The same goes for Iran’s recent rocket launches. Now both sides can make threatening noises and thump their chests to show their sides that they are strong and will not bend to the evil others.
The United States doesn’t want a nuclear Iran. Iran doesn’t want sanctions to continue. Both sides only get what they want by playing nice while distracting the plebeian masses.[/QUOTE]
Ahh, a realist in our midst. Me like.
[QUOTE=Kraken;177138]We have the most pro US government in a decade, would be US modus operandi to fuck that up.[/QUOTE]
The present Government is the most far-right in post-war Norwegian history, with a populist right wing party as part of the coalition.
Yet, it would look like socialism by some in the US and therefore a danger to the ruling class there.
Imagine if the masses should get ideas that wealth should be sheared more equally through establishment of a Scandinavian style welfare state. It would spell doom for the rich and famous, not to mention for the professional political class.
Any such thoughts must be depressed at all cost, even if that means changing the system in progressive countries, like Norway, Sweden, Denmark and others. You can always rely on CIA and Pentagon to oblige.
Ohh and before anybody gets their knickers in a twist, I DO NOT say All Americans, only the nutcase right wingers think like this.