Only Americans on US flag and only Americans can hold a uscg licence, there are reasons for it and has been like this forever, all us foreigners know it.
Hey…if I can’t get a job in Canada or the UK or even Liberia on my US documents why should a foreigner be able to get a US job using foreign documents? No matter how similar the requirements? God, I am so tired of the foreigners whining and scheming to get an American job. I have a supposedly “valuable” document, great references, good reputation, current physical and drug screen and I can’t even get a nibble from a headhunter. So I am stuck where I am for the time being, until I take and pass my license exam.
And where’s King Tut?? did he get the ban hammer? I was flying home yesterday and couldn’t post from my phone.
[QUOTE=catherder;143164]Hey…if I can’t get a job in Canada or the UK or even Liberia on my US documents why should a foreigner be able to get a US job using foreign documents? No matter how similar the requirements? God, I am so tired of the foreigners whining and scheming to get an American job. I have a supposedly “valuable” document, great references, good reputation, current physical and drug screen and I can’t even get a nibble from a headhunter. So I am stuck where I am for the time being, until I take and pass my license exam.[/QUOTE]
Why would you want a job in Liberia?
The reason you can’t get a job as an unlicensed rating is because there is no reason a foreign ship owner would ever want to hire an American for any unlicensed position as long as there are very well trained, experienced, and qualified ratings available from known manning agencies who wouldn’t touch an American with a sweep oar even if they would work for the same wages.
[QUOTE=catherder;143164]And where’s King Tut?? did he get the ban hammer? [/QUOTE]
Well, his thread certainly got decapitated! I think it must have been an act of mercy from our gCaptain overlords to prevent the Pharaoh’s mangled impaled body from getting hoisted any further for us unwashed to pummel with rotten vegetables.
I wonder if he learned anything in the experience? Time will tell if he returns and what the hijinks will be if he does?
[QUOTE=matadoro;143021][COLOR="#FF0000"]]I’M A RETIRED NAVAL CAPTAIN (EGYPTIAN NAVY) HAPPENED TO GET A LOT OF COURSES FROM THE U.S NAVY AT YOUNGER AGE, ALSO I WAS A C.O OF
DESTROYER (US MADE ADAMS CLASS ) I WAS DATING A PRETTY GIRL SINCE I WAS COMMANDER IN THE EGYPTIAN NAVY AND SHE WAS U.S AIR FORCE
E6 ANY WAY I EARLY RETIRED AND MARRIED MY SWEET GIRL I MOVED TO USA I STARTED A SMALL BUSINESS IT COASTED ME AN ARM AND LEG (3OOK)
DUE TO ECONOMY AND WORK ETHICS I SHUT IT DOWN AND NOW I.HOLD UNLIMITED MASTER ENDORSEMENT. FROM THE EGYPTIAN MARITIME
AUTHORITIES( WHITE LIST MEMBER) I’M A U.S PERMANENT RESIDENT FOR 3 YRS , SO I WANTED TO GO BCK AND WORK IN THE SEA WHERE I’M BEST AT
SO I WAS SHOCKED THAT I CANNOT WORK WITH MY ENDORSEMENT IN USA !! USCG CFR 46 WHICH NOT FAIR FOR U.S RESIDENT SO I WENT BACK TO
SCHOOL TO GET THE ONLY LICENSE I,M ALLOWED TO OBTAIN ACCORDING TO THE USCG REG, NOW I’M JOBLESS COZ CANNOT FIND WORK WITH ALL MY
BACKGROUND HISTORY OF 22YRS OF SEA SERVICE .
BEFORE I START SEEING PREJUDICE COMMENTS ABOUT FOREIGN MARINERS TAKING US CITIZEN JOBS ETC… JUST PUT YOUR SELF IN MY SHOE AND THINK ABOUT IT THAT I HAD TO MOVE TO U.S FOR THE REASON OF MY WIFE SHE IS ACTIVE DUTY AIR FORCE I DON’T WANT HER TO GIVE AWAY HER CAREER JUST SO I CAN MOVE BACK AND GET DECENT JOB ??? THE QUESTION HERE CAN ANY OF YOU HONEST GUYS HELP WITH WORK ADVICE AND GET ME GOING TO GET JOB .!!! AND ONE MORE THING THIS LAW OF MERCHANT MARINERS CANNOT GET ENDORSEMENTS FROM USA WELL IT CAME OUT 1920-1930’s I DON’T THINK AT THE TIME THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED US PERMANENT RESIDENT AS EVERY ONE WAS GETTING AN EASY CITIZENSHIP I’M GETTING 45 YRS OLD NOW AND I CANNOT WORK , OR DECKHANDS JOBS OR WIPER ETC… I TRIED THE YACHT SERVICE BUT 3 MONTH NOW NO LUCK PLZ ADVICE !!![/QUOTE]
Oh, here you are…
Prejudice?? Are you serious? Do you know how many foreign-born mariners I have worked with? Even in my government job?? Nobody has a problem with foreign born people who take the steps to obtain a US green card and then citizenship and do what it takes to become US credentialed. Nobody. Not even C.Captain, I’m sure.
What we have a problem with are foreign born nationals who think they can waltz right on in with a Master or Chief Mate or Chief Engineer credential from somewhere else, and walk into a REC, presto! They get the US equivalent with no time or testing requirements. Well, it doesn’t work that way. You have to work your way back up. It is what it is. It’s not a matter of prejudice. It’s a matter of protecting jobs and ensuring that people who come from another country learn our ropes and rules before being given positions of authority on our ships.
If you have a US green card and are married to a US citizen and have had your immigration interviews, then you should be well on your way to citizenship so I fail to see why you are having difficulty getting a US MMD and TWIC. Start there. And 45 isn’t old. I have almost 10 years on you. You can do it, it just takes some time and effort on your part and whining will not hasten the process. You are NOT entitled to transfer your credential to the US equivalent. Period, end of!
for GOD’s SAKE Cat…don’t encourage him! I for one DO NOT want the Pharaoh to become a citizen of the US and then be handed a USCG master’s license because that is what happen. Do you have any idea what it would be like for someone to have to work on the same vessel as such a imbecile especially if it ends up being on a US ship? Johnny Canal had it right about the Iranian Admirals in the MMP.
Please delete your post before the Pharaoh reads it and replies and I will delete this one…
otherwise,GOD SAVE ALL OUR MISERABLE UNWASHED SOULS!
I wish I could “thank you” for the reply/post, catherder. But, for the life of me, I can’t find that button/link.
Having said that, all the queries raised by matadaro aka Pharaoh aka King Tut have been raised multiple times over gCaptain’s existence and replied ad infinitum.That search function on the top right corner is for a reason and so are the US cabotage laws. If as a military captain you can’t figure that out, then not only you are blowing smoke up my proverbial hole, but you are also lying. Then, your worth is just being an AB OR else, an admiral of a 3rd world country.
He whines about US laws, but does he whine about the industry being forced to shell out cartons of Marlboros to transit the Suez canal? What about the cabotage laws of his country? Can any Chinese/Filipino/Indian start sailing under his country’s cabotage laws? Does he whine then? Sauce not worthy for the gander? He had sufficient time to get his act together and be in compliance with the laws of this country. Why do the members of this board have to put up with this unjustified rant?
c.captain is/was brusque when replying to him and in IMHO, totally justified. In a previous post c.captain had pointed out that such posts simply clutter up this board and make the search function for serious mariners who are searching for information/education redundant and totally frustrating. I standby him.
This pharaoh on this board who came into this country on the shoulders of an active duty Air Force wife is a disgrace.
[QUOTE=c.captain;143169]for GOD’s SAKE Cat…don’t encourage him! I for one DO NOT want the Pharaoh to become a citizen of the US and then be handed a USCG master’s license because that is what happen. Do you have any idea what it would be like for someone to have to work on the same vessel as such a imbecile especially if it ends up being on a US ship? Johnny Canal had it right about the Iranian Admirals in the MMP.
Please delete your post before the Pharaoh reads it and replies and I will delete this one…
GOD SAVE ALL OUR MISERABLE UNWASHED SOULS![/QUOTE]
I am Indian and a Green Card Holder, looking to follow my mariner father’s footsteps. This country is the ONLY country which allows me to follow my dream.
You and catherder should not delete your posts, but allow it to stand as a lesson to foreigners who come into this country and refuse to follow US laws, just because they feel that they are entitled. Nobody invited them, they invited themselves and they are bound by law to follow US laws. FUCK THEM.
[QUOTE=c.captain;143169]for GOD’s SAKE Cat…don’t encourage him! I for one DO NOT want the Pharaoh to become a citizen of the US and then be handed a USCG master’s license because that is what happen. Do you have any idea what it would be like for someone to have to work on the same vessel as such a imbecile especially if it ends up being on a US ship? Johnny Canal had it right about the Iranian Admirals in the MMP.
Please delete your post before the Pharaoh reads it and replies and I will delete this one…
otherwise,GOD SAVE ALL OUR MISERABLE UNWASHED SOULS![/QUOTE]
Read my second paragraph- I did not encourage him, I told him why he can’t walk into an nmc and get a license based on his boxtops from bumfuck…oh never mind…
He would be a great fit at Carnival don’t you think??
[QUOTE=matadoro;143021]]I’M A RETIRED NAVAL CAPTAIN (EGYPTIAN NAVY) HAPPENED TO GET A LOT OF COURSES FROM THE U.S NAVY AT YOUNGER AGE, ALSO I WAS A C.O OF
DESTROYER (US MADE ADAMS CLASS ) I WAS DATING A PRETTY GIRL SINCE I WAS COMMANDER IN THE EGYPTIAN NAVY AND SHE WAS U.S AIR FORCE
E6 ANY WAY I EARLY RETIRED AND MARRIED MY SWEET GIRL I MOVED TO USA I STARTED A SMALL BUSINESS IT COASTED ME AN ARM AND LEG (3OOK)
DUE TO ECONOMY AND WORK ETHICS I SHUT IT DOWN AND NOW I.HOLD UNLIMITED MASTER ENDORSEMENT. FROM THE EGYPTIAN MARITIME
AUTHORITIES( WHITE LIST MEMBER) I’M A U.S PERMANENT RESIDENT FOR 3 YRS , SO I WANTED TO GO BCK AND WORK IN THE SEA WHERE I’M BEST AT
SO I WAS SHOCKED THAT I CANNOT WORK WITH MY ENDORSEMENT IN USA !! USCG CFR 46 WHICH NOT FAIR FOR U.S RESIDENT SO I WENT BACK TO
SCHOOL TO GET THE ONLY LICENSE I,M ALLOWED TO OBTAIN ACCORDING TO THE USCG REG, NOW I’M JOBLESS COZ CANNOT FIND WORK WITH ALL MY
BACKGROUND HISTORY OF 22YRS OF SEA SERVICE .
BEFORE I START SEEING PREJUDICE COMMENTS ABOUT FOREIGN MARINERS TAKING US CITIZEN JOBS ETC… JUST PUT YOUR SELF IN MY SHOE AND THINK ABOUT IT THAT I HAD TO MOVE TO U.S FOR THE REASON OF MY WIFE SHE IS ACTIVE DUTY AIR FORCE I DON’T WANT HER TO GIVE AWAY HER CAREER JUST SO I CAN MOVE BACK AND GET DECENT JOB ??? THE QUESTION HERE CAN ANY OF YOU HONEST GUYS HELP WITH WORK ADVICE AND GET ME GOING TO GET JOB .!!! AND ONE MORE THING THIS LAW OF MERCHANT MARINERS CANNOT GET ENDORSEMENTS FROM USA WELL IT CAME OUT 1920-1930’s I DON’T THINK AT THE TIME THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED US PERMANENT RESIDENT AS EVERY ONE WAS GETTING AN EASY CITIZENSHIP I’M GETTING 45 YRS OLD NOW AND I CANNOT WORK , OR DECKHANDS JOBS OR WIPER ETC… I TRIED THE YACHT SERVICE BUT 3 MONTH NOW NO LUCK PLZ ADVICE !!![/QUOTE]
Oh, here you are…
Edited for clarity:
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Nobody here is “prejudiced” so stop throwing the race card around.
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You cannot take your Egyptian credential and trade it in for an equivalent US credential. Period. Suck it up and work your way up like everyone else has had to. Or feel free to return to Egypt, unless you are avoiding political retribution for being a Mubarak acolyte. I worked with an Iranian guy whose family fled during the Islamic revolution so I know how that works. He wears a tie (those of you who know that situation know what that’s about).
I have seen plenty of foreign flagged vessels and no thanks, we don’t want your propensity for magic pipes and poor sanitation; to those offended by that, too bad.
What would my job prospects in Egypt be? As a woman, I doubt I’d get a very warm reception in any Egyptian job market. Do you make your American wife walk behind you? Just saying.
You come across as an arrogant jerkwad and that tells me exactly what kind of senior officer you must be and we don’t need that here, either.
There, now I feel better.
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[QUOTE=c.captain;143167]Well, his thread certainly got decapitated! I think it must have been an act of mercy from our gCaptain overlords to prevent the Pharaoh’s mangled impaled body from getting hoisted any further for us unwashed to pummel with rotten vegetables.
I wonder if he learned anything in the experience? Time will tell if he returns and what the hijinks will be if he does?[/QUOTE]
Well he changed his avatar. Who knows if he comes back.
Alright…edited for added snark…your turn.
[QUOTE=catherder;143173]Well he changed his avatar. Who knows if he comes back.
Alright…edited for added snark…your turn.[/QUOTE]
but you are baiting him Cat and just asking for him to return and inflict himself upon us yet again! I don’t think my present state of delicate sensitivity could take another dose of the Pharaoh? THE HORROR!
let us hopefully add him to the pantheon of other late great gCaptain fools who imploded and disappeared from our midst never to return. such hallowed names as The Commodore, UniBlab, OICUR12, and my personal favorite TMACadet1…
btw, I agree completely with the Shittino comparison…probably looks like that cretin too!
[QUOTE=c.captain;143178]but you are baiting him Cat and just asking for him to return and inflict himself upon us yet again! I don’t think my present state of delicate sensitivity could take another dose of the Pharaoh? THE HORROR!
let us hopefully add him to the pantheon of other late great gCaptain fools who imploded and disappeared from our midst never to return. such hallowed names as The Commodore, UniBlab, OICUR12, and my personal favorite TMACadet1…
btw, I agree completely with the Shittino comparison…probably looks like that cretin too![/QUOTE]
Oh come on, it’s been too quiet here lately. You were right, I was being too nice.
I’m thinking he’s a cross between Shittino and that other Mediterranean nightmare of late:
Oregonbkitzkreig was my favorite from recent memory!
[QUOTE=z-drive;143185]Oregonbkitzkreig was my favorite from recent memory![/QUOTE]
He was hilarious. Wonder if/where he ended up working?
[QUOTE=catherder;143182]I’m thinking he’s a cross between Shittino and that other Mediterranean nightmare of late:[/QUOTE]
can you imagine being married to such a pathetically obtuse person? THE HORROR!
[QUOTE=catherder;143189]He was hilarious. Wonder if/where he ended up working?[/QUOTE]
he was not one who I personally took apart (at least I can’t recall dismembering him) but hopefully he ended up lying dead in a ditch somewhere…
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I was on the pharaoh’s side. I was hoping he would bring about a new age of prosperity in America and we could all worship his ancient royalty in the name of Rah.
you would be and some royalty our great Pharaoh turned out to be…
it has been years since a bigger IMBEZZEL has graced us with their sheer STOOPIDITY here!
The crew of gCaptain are whipped daily by the officers of the HMS Bounty. HAAA!!! Y’all are too smart for your own good.
He was the guy standing in the stern so he thinks he’s entitled to a US license? The nerve!
[QUOTE=OBXmariner;143204]The crew of gCaptain are whipped daily by the officers of the HMS Bounty. HAAA!!! Y’all are too smart for your own good.[/QUOTE]