Stop McCain from repealing the Jones Act

The US of A is not the only country with Cabotage Laws concerning transportation with a countries vessels, trains, planes and trucking. Most countries have such protection laws. So when you write your Congressman or Congresswoman please be sure to include the fact if the Jones Act Cabotage Laws are relaxed to insure that all such Cabotage Laws and Rules are relaxed. Why should the Marine Industry be the only Industry freed of this onerous burden as Congressman McCain feels . Look at the savings especially of flying. A person is capable of flying round trip Houston to Manila for approximately 1000.00 to 1100.00 USD’s. The Houston to LAX section costs 600.00 USD’s. The remaining 400.00 to 500.00 dollars is LAX to Manila to LAX. Most foreign airlines are Government owned, imagine in the preceding scenario the Houston to LAX would drop to 300.00 if a foreign carrier was allowed the route. Excellent. So insure this is pointed out to your Senator’s and Representatives.

This is a ruse to obscure the underlying issue of why Ship Owners and Managers desire the Jones act to be scrapped or gutted. The real issue at hand is the means of making a person whole after a Marine Incident. The Jones Act is Tort based and all other Marine Acts are Workman’s Compensation based for making a person whole or have limits of liabilities. Under Tort based settlements if Negligence is proven the pocket is deep. If Gross Negligence is proven the pocket has no bottom. This is why you find crew standing on a chair on a table is heavy weather with no PPE on, changing a light bulb.

So remember advise Senator McCain what a wonderfull idea he is forwarding and to relax all Cabotage Laws. Look at how cheap all transportation modes would become.

I had no idea what an effect I would have

[QUOTE=ozobozob;152401]So remember advise Senator McCain what a wonderfull idea he is forwarding and to relax all Cabotage Laws. Look at how cheap all transportation modes would become.[/QUOTE]

If I knew where to find you, I’d sent two 400# Samoans to break both your kneecaps and then your face while they’re at it!

You SIR are obviously NO American!

I wonder how all these american companies feel about it. You see Crowley with their support the Jones act article, but how do they really feel? After investing all their money on more expensive tonnage and crews over the years, do you think they want to see their investment continue and compete in a relatively narrow market, or open up their trade to international companies with millions of tons of available tonnage? I’m not talking about public companies that don’t give a shit, but privately owned companies that make joe-boss very wealthy. If I’m already a multimillionaire (billionaire) and getting richer by the day, I’d hate to suddenly compete against COSCO, MSC, Maersk, UPT, MOL…the list goes on and on. They have their limited-entry industry, I can’t see competition being welcome.

[QUOTE=z-drive;152411]I wonder how all these american companies feel about it. You see Crowley with their support the Jones act article, but how do they really feel? After investing all their money on more expensive tonnage and crews over the years, do you think they want to see their investment continue and compete in a relatively narrow market, or open up their trade to international companies with millions of tons of available tonnage? I’m not talking about public companies that don’t give a shit, but privately owned companies that make joe-boss very wealthy. If I’m already a multimillionaire (billionaire) and getting richer by the day, I’d hate to suddenly compete against COSCO, MSC, Maersk, UPT, MOL…the list goes on and on. They have their limited-entry industry, I can’t see competition being welcome.[/QUOTE]

US shipowners DO NOT IN ANY WAY want to see any changes made to the Jones Act. They love the industry having a steep entry price which limits competition and support high rates even though they do have to pay premium to have their ships built and the higher pay they provide their crews. THEY MAKE MONEY…ENOUGH SAID!

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[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;152404]I had no idea what an effect I would have[/QUOTE]

I don’t know where I fall in that list? Somewhere in the middle of nitwit, halfwit and dimwit I would guess if I had the capability but my little brain has very reduced capacity…

A friend shared this with me.

http://www.workboat.com/Blogs/WorkBoat-Watch/Oil-prices-and-the-Jones-Act/?utm_source=NewsLinks&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=InformzNews

[QUOTE=Bayouboy1982;152413]A friend shared this with me.

http://www.workboat.com/Blogs/WorkBoat-Watch/Oil-prices-and-the-Jones-Act/?utm_source=NewsLinks&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=InformzNews[/QUOTE]

From the article: “Also, they say, the Jones Act fleet fails to meet the needs of the U.S. military, which routinely charters foreign-built ships to fulfill additional sealift needs.”

That Argument seems to make little sense. Without the Jones Act there would be even fewer American ships available. It could end up with no ships available.

Has anybody ever done a study about why US shipbuilding is so messed up? Europe can turn out massive cruise ships easily. The US can’t build any. Nobody seems to know why.

Lack of infrastructure and technology brought on by a lack of interest in capital investors in favor of cheaper foreign labor and processes. In addition, and I’m going to get a lot of flack for this but this is what I truly believe, the gross excess of power held by labor unions who don’t want to see shipbuilding jobs become more efficient and more automated, thus needing fewer laborers per shipyard. Also, lest we forget the fact that the same labor problems that have plagued every other American manufacturing industry in history, played no small part in shipbuilding as well.

But what do I know? I don’t build the damn things, I just try to keep them from blowing up or running into other things…

[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;152416]But what do I know? I don’t build the damn things, I just try to keep them from blowing up or running into other things…[/QUOTE]

Then you’re at least partially at fault for the dismal shape of American shipbuilding.

If you let them blow up or run into things, then companies would need new ones, creating work for ship yards.

Well damn. Good job bringing my whole life to a crashing halt. I now have to re-evaluate my whole existence. Where is Freud when you need him?

In addition to what I said above, I also forgot what may well be more important than many of the other factors: the fact that American shipbuilding has been out-subsidized by its socialist and communist competitors in Asia. That’s the real reason their crap is so cheap…

If the federal government opened shipyards with no profit margin or even built them for a loss then we could compete some with Asia. (In theory, not so with supply logistics and shipyard capacity)

In Europe, say Italy, are the workers Italians, or foreigners from poor nations working for peanuts? If skilled shipyard workers make low wages, or foreigners are paid shit, that doesn’t help the economy either.

Avondale should be kept open for some of this new tonnage being built!

[QUOTE=LI_Domer;152388]So am I correct that this would have to go to the transportation subcommittee for vote also?[/QUOTE]

It would also have to be reconciled with the bill that passed the House without that amendment.

In honor of the gathering of “twatwaffles” that occurred in DC last night I would also like to offer up “dicksuckery” and “douchebaggery”, in the parlance of our times, as the dude would say.

[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;152416]Lack of infrastructure and technology brought on by a lack of interest in capital investors in favor of cheaper foreign labor and processes. In addition, and I’m going to get a lot of flack for this but this is what I truly believe, the gross excess of power held by labor unions who don’t want to see shipbuilding jobs become more efficient and more automated, thus needing fewer laborers per shipyard. Also, lest we forget the fact that the same labor problems that have plagued every other American manufacturing industry in history, played no small part in shipbuilding as well.
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You are basing this statement on what? Give us some facts please as to which labor union in what location on what date has resisted making them more efficient.Gross excess of power? Labor unions have almost zero power in the USA now for goodness sake. Outside of DOD shipyards unions are a not an issue and as far as I am concerned the labor unions [working folks] might as well join in on the gang rape going on with the DOD and their contractors.
Labor problems plagued every other manufacturing industry? It takes two sides to sign a contract, no one held a gun to anyone’s head but when things go south it always seems labor has to make concessions, give up their pensions etc. Name one time where labor came out ahead when things went bad in the economy or the CEO screwed the business into the ground while making himself rich. In bankruptcy caused by piss poor management the first thing to go down the toilet are working people that signed a contract in good faith that was supposedly backed up by law.
As far as McCain wanting to do away with the Jones Act all you got to do is look at who pays him the bribes [campaign contributions] and who he truly represents to understand what is going on there.

You mistake ‘CAPS’ in this instance. Old people have the ‘option’ of using a ‘Visibility Enhanced’ type. Makes it easier for us’ blind as a bat’ old curmudgeons to be able to read it.

just to show that McCain is very alone in his crusade

[B]House Members Rally Against Senator McCain’s Jones Act Amendment[/B]

By Mike Schuler On January 20, 2015

In the latest show of support for the Jones Act, 32 bipartisan Representatives have sent a letter to Senate leadership urging them to reject a “misguided” amendment piggybacked onto a Keystone XL Pipeline bill by Senator John McCain that would repeal the U.S. build requirement of the Merchant Marine Act of 1920.

The letter, which was addressed to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, expressed “serious concern” with amendment #2 submitted by Senator McCain as part of the debate on the Keystone XL Pipeline Act (S.1), saying that the amendment would have a harmful effect on the U.S. economy and national security. The letter continued:

“Shipbuilders are vital to America’s national and economic security because they build, repair, maintain and modernize the largest and most sophisticated Navy and Coast Guard in the world as well as America’s fleet of approximately 40,000 commercial vessels. According to a recent study by the Department of Transportation’s Maritime Administration, America’s shipbuilding industry supports more than 400,000 jobs in all 50 states, which boost our economy by almost $60 billion every year. Each direct job in the shipbuilding and repairing industry leads to another 2.7 jobs nationally, and each dollar of direct labor income leads to another $2.03 in labor income in other parts of the economy.

“This amendment, which is unrelated to the underlying matter under debate and has no consideration by any of the committees of jurisdiction in the House or Senate, would have a detrimental effect at a time when our domestic commercial shipbuilding sector is seeing a surge in new vessel construction. We urge the rejection of this misguided proposal, and look forward to working with you to continue to grow a robust and vibrant domestic shipbuilding industry.”

As gCaptain reported previously, Arizona Senator John McCain last week launched this latest attack on the Jones Act after the Keystone XL Pipeline bill passed an initial hurdle in the senate, saying that the Merchant Marine Act of 1920, commonly referred to as the Jones Act, is an “antiquated law” that has “hindered free trade, made U.S. industry less competitive and raised prices for American consumers.”

Senator McCain’s amendment was quickly met with backlash from Jones Act supporters, ranging from the American Maritime Partnership, MEBA, SIU and the U.S. Navy league, to California Congressman Duncan Hunter, who has long been one of the Jones Act’s biggest advocates in Congress.

The letter to Senator McConnell and Senator Reid was signed by 32 bipartisan Representatives, all of whom are listed below. The full letter can be found HERE.

Update: Senators Bob Casey (D-PA) and Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) have now also made their voices heard in support of the Jones Act, issuing a statement Wednesday saying that Senator McCain’s amendment could endanger U.S. shipbuilding jobs and outsource work by done by American workers to foreign countries.

“This amendment could have a serious impact on jobs and economic growth across Pennsylvania from Erie to Philadelphia,” Senator Casey said. “We should be voting on amendments that create more jobs for American workers instead of putting them at risk. The Jones Act protects American jobs and helps ensure the safety of our ports. Repealing the Jones Act would be a mistake.”

“Wisconsin is home to one of the largest manufacturing sectors in the nation, including a strong shipbuilding industry,” Senator Baldwin said. “Repealing the Jones Act would not only negatively impact the thousands of hardworking Wisconsinites this industry employs, but it would also stifle our collective efforts to support a Made in America economy.”

Member, State, Party

Courtney, CT, D
Palazzo, MS, R
Garamendi, CA, D
Hunter, CA, R
LoBiondo, NJ, R
Takai, HI, D
Esty, CT, D
Lipinski, IL, D
Byrne, AL, R
Lowenthal, CA, D
Kilmer, WA, D
DesJarlais, TN, R
Cummings, MD, D
Gabbard, HI, D
Pingree, ME D
Brownley, CA, D
Nugent, Fl, R
Wittman, VA, R
Rigell, VA, R
Poe, TX, R
Duncan, TN, R
King, NY, R
Fincher, TN, R
Peters, CA, D
Boustany, LA, R
Langevin, RI, D
Forbes, VA, R
Smith, MO, R
Israel, NY, D
Cicillene, RI, D
Lynch, MA, D
Larsen, WA, D

thanks for your reporting on this critically important matter for all us unwashed American mariners Rob…

[QUOTE=Bayouboy1982;152261]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-john-mccain-abolishing-jones-act-trying-slip-amendment-keystone-pipeline-legislation/XcXP9vNw
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A few minutes ago this was at 5907 signatures. Needs to get to 100,000 to get a response. Need to spread the word some more.

[QUOTE=jdcavo;152358]It’s not a stand-alone bill. It’s an amendment in the bill on the Keystone XL pipeline. The bill is here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/1?q={“search”%3A[“keystone”]} To see the amendment, go to the amendments tab and scroll down to Amendment no. 4.[/QUOTE]

In fact, I think it’s an amendment to an amendment to the bill. It amends the Murkowski amendment.

Now my head’s spinning and I need a bee-ah

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[QUOTE=KPChief;152519]A few minutes ago this was at 5907 signatures. Needs to get to 100,000 to get a response. Need to spread the word some more.[/QUOTE]

I would rather see people contact their representatives. Rattle their cages big time! I did.

[QUOTE=catherder;152542]I would rather see people contact their representatives. Rattle their cages big time! I did.[/QUOTE]

they HELL with contacting em! I advocate a small quantity of a very high grade explosive…

works amazingly well for motivational purposes…

Oh, it’s been on