South Korea ferry sinks...hundreds missing

It has also become clear that the captain most likely violated national navigational guidelines when he left the ship in the control of the least experienced ship’s mate through a waterway notorious for its rapid currents. The guidelines stipulate a captain should be in control in busy or dangerous waters.

Another urban legend; “The captain must be on the bridge and perfectly alert at all times, 24 hours per day, 8 days a week and be well rested to take the best decisions in case of adversities” … or sink with the ship ! :confused:

[QUOTE=Topsail;136287]I never thought that one day I would hear from mariners, such a ridiculous thing as a captain must go down with the ship, if the evacuation was not succeeded to the very last soul that could by the way, be already dead in his bunk from a panic heart attack ! Is there anybody else on the planet that has to succeed a mission to a 101% ? Even top gun surgeon faces patient death more often than we believe ! [/QUOTE]

The master of any ship or chief pilot of any aircraft holds a unique position in that they are alone legally in ultimate sole command of their craft which means their words and actions do mean the very real likelihood of death or salvation to the lives that they are entrusted to protect BY LAW! To save one’s own life at the expense of the lives of others who are dependent on the master performing his LEGAL DUTIES is CRIMINAL! To say that any man can decide he has done enough and bail out needs to forever be condemned by ALL of society including all mariners!

I only need point to one man who has set the standard for ultimate cowardly betrayal of the trust placed in him by all the souls on the vessel he was in command of!

is there anything at all left to say on this matter…SIR!

how often do we hear about a vessel that had alterations that effect its stability, involved in an accident???

[QUOTE=Topsail;136287]I never thought that one day I would hear from mariners, such a ridiculous thing as a captain must go down with the ship, if the evacuation was not succeeded to the very last soul that could by the way, be already dead in his bunk from a panic heart attack ! Is there anybody else on the planet that has to succeed a mission to a 101% ? Even top gun surgeon faces patient death more often than we believe !

Is the captain responsible for laws, regulations, architectures, practices … deficiencies, imperfections, faults and flaws ?

I was trained to be a captain of a vessel. I would do whatever I could to save everyone. But when the vessel becomes a wreck, the captain is in his turn entitled to become a shipwrecked castaway himself. I am a captain of a vessel, not a captain of a wreck.

While sleeping and proceeding at 22 knots through freezing pitch dark night even as advised of nearby icebergs, E.J. Smith became a Hollywood hero to have sunk with his ship accompanied by 1500 souls. It is not because that choice was made in 1912 that we all have to do the same. After a major blunder of his own, I can understand. But if the vessel would instead have caught fire and sink due to a faulty design, he could’ve save his life with honor by grabbing a flotsam even with a 1500 death toll. I that hypothetic case, I would’ve not betray my family, save myself and face the show.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think anyone has a problem with what you write above. However, the Master is responsible for deficiencies, imperfections, faults and flaws that are within his power to report, correct or overcome, including refusing to sail. Not an easy situation at all in the “real” world.

A detestable few doing stoopid (criminal) things like playing chicken with a cruise ship and an Italian island, or sailing a RO-RO with cargo loads triple those allowed — don’t do a lot to generate sympathy for working mariners, including captains, who face an endless variety commercial, safety & regulatory dilemmas, often with inadequate tools and support…

They announced more arrests this morning. About 15 out of 20 surviving crew under arrest…

[QUOTE=catherder;136297]They announced more arrests this morning. About 15 out of 20 surviving crew under arrest…[/QUOTE]

After what happened to the Captain and crew of the MT Hebei Spirit it should be understood that many powerful people would like to see this begin and end with simply putting the crew in jail and throwing away the key. Hence the story that the captain ordered the passengers to stay aboard and then gingerly stepped into a rescue boat himself. It’s an attempt to sway the ignorant and uninformed public in order to protect others shoreside who bear some responsibly.

[QUOTE=c.captain;136289]The master of any ship or chief pilot of any aircraft holds a unique position in that they are alone legally in ultimate sole command of their craft which means their words and actions do mean the very real likelihood of death or salvation to the lives that they are entrusted to protect BY LAW! To save one’s own life at the expense of the lives of others who are dependent on the master performing his LEGAL DUTIES is CRIMINAL! To say that any man can decide he has done enough and bail out needs to forever be condemned by ALL of society including all mariners!

I only need point to one man who has set the standard for ultimate cowardly betrayal of the trust placed in him by all the souls on the vessel he was in command of!

is there anything at all left to say on this matter…SIR![/QUOTE]

And allow me to add, sir, that he has committed a possibly equally heinous crime, this one against man and nature, to wit: that of a c. 45 year old man sporting a full-on mullet in 2014! Make his sentences run consecutively!

latest news including two lines which should quiet any who say it was just fine for the master to disembark as he did

[B]Divers Feel With Their Hands For Corpses[/B]

By MarEx April 23, 2014

South Korean divers swam though dark, cold waters into a sunken ferry on Wednesday, feeling for children’s bodies with their hands in a maze of cabins, corridors and upturned decks as they searched for hundreds of missing.

The divers, with oxygen and communications lines trailing, can only see a few inches in front of them in the wreckage of the ship that started sinking a week ago after a sharp turn. Most of the victims were high school children, who were told to stay where they were for their own safety.

And most of the bodies found in the last two days had broken fingers, presumably from the children frantically trying to climb the walls or floors to escape in their last moments, media said.

“We are trained for hostile environments, but it’s hard to be brave when we meet bodies in dark water,” diver Hwang Dae-sik told Reuters, as the funerals of 25 students were held near the capital, Seoul.

Prosecutors investigating the disaster raided the home of Yoo Byung-un, the head of a family that owns the Chonghaejin Marine Co. Ltd, the company that operated the Sewol ferry. They also raided his son’s home and the office of a church with which Yoo has been associated, said a prosecutor who did not want to be identified.

The finances of Chonghaejin and its complex share structure have come into the spotlight in recent days. Yoo was jailed for fraud for four years in the early 1990s.

But it was not immediately clear how big a development this was. Korean police and prosecutors often make dramatic raids to show that progress is being made in a high-profile case.

Underwater, at the site of the sunken Sewol, divers are able to work for nearly an hour at a time as long as the oxygen lines do not snag on sharp corners of the ship’s internal structure. When they use cumbersome oxygen tanks on their backs instead, they can work for about 20 minutes before an alarm bell sounds.

The Sewol sank last Wednesday on a routine trip from the port of Incheon, near Seoul, to the southern island of Jeju.

Of the 476 passengers and crew on board, 339 were children and teachers on a high school outing. Only 174 people have been rescued and the remainder are presumed to have drowned.

The confirmed death toll on Wednesday was 150, many found at the back of the ship on the fourth deck.

In a rare move, the disaster prompted reclusive North Korea, which routinely threatens the South with destruction, to send a message of sympathy. The two sides are still technically at war after the 1950-53 civil conflict ended in a mere truce.

“We express condolences for the missing and dead, including young students, from the sinking of the Sewol,” a South Korean Unification Ministry spokeswoman quoted the message as saying.

Hwang, the diver, said his team had retrieved 14 bodies so far. “We have to touch everything with our hands. This is the most gruelling and heartbreaking job of my career,” he said.

Captain Lee Joon-seok, 69, and other crew members have been arrested on negligence charges. Lee was also charged with undertaking an “excessive change of course without slowing down”.

LAW REQUIRES CAPTAIN TO STAY ON BOARD

Several crew members, including the captain, left the ferry as it was sinking, witnesses have said, after passengers were told to stay in their cabins, even though it was time for breakfast. President Park Geun-hye said on Monday that instruction was tantamount to an “act of murder”.

“The charged crew members appear to have not carried out their duty to rescue the passengers at all,” prosecutor Ahn Sang-don told a briefing. “Based on the fact that they were gathered in the bridge, engine room and so on, then left the boat, we believe negligent homicide is applicable.”

According to Article 10 of Seafarers’ Act, a captain has to remain on board until all passengers have disembarked.

A boy with a shaking voice gave the first distress call to the emergency services when the ferry listed.

Most of those who survived made it out on deck and jumped into rescue boats, but many of the children did not leave their cabins, not questioning their elders, as is customary in hierarchical Korean society. They paid for their obedience with their lives.

Lee was not on the bridge when the ship turned. Navigation was in the hands of a 26-year-old third mate, who was in charge for the first time on that part of the journey, according to crew members.

The wife of one crew member under investigation who did not wish to be identified quoted her husband as saying: “I should have died out there.”

"He told me that he was taking some rest as he had finished his shift. He fell from his bed and struggled to open the room door to get out. He said he didn’t go to the steering house to meet up with rest of the crew. Rather he was found by coastguards and was rescued.

“My husband didn’t get along with other crewmen, but he told me that Captain Lee was someone comfortable and extremely calm. He said Captain Lee was like no other: he didn’t drink much, although he did smoke.”

Copyright Reuters 2014.

Why in the name of Jesus were the passengers told to remain in their cabins and why did those passengers stay?

I need to research 46US Code to see what US law says a master’s legal responsibilities are…maybe someone who already knows where to find it can post it here?

adding this article as well

[B]Divers find cabins crammed with bodies inside sunken ferry[/B]

By Steven Jiang, James Yoo and Jethro Mullen, CNN

Fri April 25, 2014

Jindo, South Korea (CNN) – Divers searching the wreck of the sunken South Korean ferry are finding cabins overfilled with people, but they are encountering major obstacles in recovering bodies, South Korean officials said Friday.

Searchers discovered the bodies of 48 girls wearing life vests in a cabin with a capacity of 30, indicating many passengers ran into the same room when the ship tilted.

The ferry Sewol is on the sea floor and resting with its right side up, said Capt. Kim Jin-hwang, a South Korean navy officer commanding the rescue operation.

Searchers are now trying to reach a dormitory-style cabin where they believe as many as 50 girls may be, he said.

Officials said conditions remained challenging inside the submerged vessel.

The visibility is very poor and lots of floating objects are blocking the way, the officials said. Some doors can’t be opened because of the water pressure, and divers are having to break windows to gain access to certain parts of the ship.

Most of the bodies being found are wearing life vests, which probably made it harder for them to escape when the ship tilted because the exits would have been underwater below them. Divers have had to take life vests off the bodies to carry them out, Kim said.

Meanwhile, strong currents are pulling hoses supplying air to the divers, making it hard for them to stay underwater for long.

The divers have already searched all the easily accessible places, Kim said. They are expecting the search to become harder because of strengthening currents and harsher weather conditions.

Safety concerns about sister ship

A sister ship of the sunken ferry operated by the same company was found to have multiple safety concerns, investigators told CNN.

The prosecutor’s office leading the investigation in the southern city of Mokpo said that authorities have been looking at the passenger ferry Ohamana, a ship owned by Chonghaejin Marine. That company also owns the Sewol, which sank off the country’s southwestern coast on April 16 with 476 people on board.

The Mokpo Joint Investigation Force Headquarters examined the Ohamana because of its similarities to the Sewol and to get an idea of how the Sewol may have been operating.

Investigators inspected the ship and took away documents from the ship’s offices Friday. They studied the emergency escape plans and found the following issues:

• Of the life rafts on board, 40 did not work.
• The emergency slides did not work.
• There was no equipment to tie down cars.
• The equipment for tying down containers didn’t work very well.

Like the Sewol, the Ohamana had been modified to add more passengers, the prosecutor’s office said.

The Ohamana usually operates between Incheon and Jeju three times a week. According to the ship tracking website MarineTraffic.com, the Ohamana arrived in the port of Incheon on April 16, the day the Sewol sank, and has not left since.

The South Korean Ministry of Oceans and Fisheries said that the Ohamana ceased operating right after the sinking.

Families confront officials

The revelations about the sister ship came Friday, the day after angry relatives of missing ferry passengers cursed government and police officials for failing to do enough to save the lives of their loved ones as hopes of finding survivors dimmed.

The relatives berated Fisheries Minister Lee Ju-young and two coast guard officials, accusing them of misleading the public about the operation and of wasting time.

“How can you fool us into believing you were out there trying to save our children?” one mother yelled at the officials.

Also, officials at the South Korean headquarters for the task force coordinating the search told CNN that they believe the body of a boy who reportedly made the first emergency call from the ship after it began to list sharply has been recovered. DNA tests will help officially identify the remains, officials said early Friday.

Investigators urge patience

On Friday, an official involved in the investigation in Mokpo asked for patience.

“I know a lot of people are curious as to the cause of the accident, but we don’t have the information yet,” said Heo Yong-beom, a maritime safety judge. “We will try our best to satisfy and answer questions.”

The ferry Sewol lurched on its side and capsized last week. Among the passengers were 325 high school students on a field trip to the resort island of Jeju.

The number of confirmed dead rose to 185 on Friday, with 117 still missing, according to the South Korean coast guard.

Hopes of finding any survivors in the sunken ferry have all but evaporated after news that divers have found no air pockets on the third and fourth levels of the ship, where many passengers were thought to have been trapped.

Rescuers saved 174 people on the day the ferry sank, including 75 high school students, but no survivors have been found since.

Modifications investigated

Authorities do not yet know what caused the sinking, but a widening criminal investigation has ensnared the ship’s captain and more than a dozen other crew members and led prosecutors to search the offices of the company that owns the ship.

Officials also searched the offices of 20 affiliated companies and the home of Yoo Byung-un, the man whose family is believed to be behind the company, looking for any evidence of wrongdoing that could have led to the ship’s sinking.

Among other things, investigators have said they will look into whether modifications to the ship in 2013 could have altered the ship’s balance and contributed to what happened.

Kim Yong-rok, an opposition lawmaker who represents Jindo, an island near where the ship sank, told CNN that modifications to add 117 more passenger cabins to the ship raised the ferry’s center of gravity.

Kim said the work on the ferry took place in 2013 after the Sewol was purchased from a Japanese company. The ferry’s passenger capacity was expanded from 804 to 921, he said.

South Korean prosecutors were unable to confirm those details for CNN.

But they are investigating the private organization responsible for inspecting and certifying ships for the South Korean government, which signed off on the work.

On Friday, the South Korean Ministry of Oceans and Fisheries announced it would ask lawmakers to consider legislation prohibiting modifications to ships to increase passenger capacity.

Authorities said it didn’t appear that the ferry was overloaded, according to figures provided by the company and the South Korean coast guard. But coast guard officials said investigators won’t know for sure how much cargo the ship was carrying until it is raised from the waters of the Yellow Sea.

Offering sympathies

U.S. President Barack Obama offered America’s sympathies to South Korea on Friday during a diplomatic visit there.

He presented South Korean President Park Geun-hye with a framed American flag that was flown over the White House the same day the ferry sank as a symbol of condolence.

“I’m very mindful that my visit comes at a time of mourning for the people of this nation,” he told the U.S. and the South Korean delegations.

“As allies but also friends, we join you in mourning the missing, and especially the young people.”

“President Park, I thought it would be appropriate and fitting today to honor the dead and missing if our delegation held a moment of silence,” he said.

The two delegations then bowed their heads.

Speaking through a translator, Park thanked him for the gesture, and said, “The Korean people draw great strength from your kindness.”

Is it too much to hope for that many more arrests occur, namely the DPA, managing director and tech supt? Unbelievable.

the vessel designer and the class surveyors need to go to prison, that might start to fix the flawed industry
How do you launch a life-raft/boat on a heeled vessel and get the passengers into them, they only work when you dont actually need them
The only improvements since the Titanic has been radar and epirbs

[QUOTE=powerabout;136346]How do you launch a life-raft/boat on a heeled vessel and get the passengers into them, they only work when you dont actually need them[/QUOTE]

You are right. That’s why in these days the goal is to design a passenger ship so that if it sinks, it will remain stable and upright as long as possible.

As a naval architect, I do not agree with imprisoning the designers or class surveyors as long as the vessel fulfilled all relevant rules and regulations regarding safety and stability. If the crew decides to load the ship with too much cargo, not lash it properly and then tell the passengers to stay in their cabins when they should have abandoned ship, it’s not the designer’s fault. It took so long for the vessel to sink that all of the passengers would have survived if the evacuation had been started after the crew noticed something was wrong. For the same reason, you can’t sue a car manufacturer for a driver malfunction…

[QUOTE=Tups;136348]You are right. That’s why in these days the goal is to design a passenger ship so that if it sinks, it will remain stable and upright as long as possible.

As a naval architect, I do not agree with imprisoning the designers or class surveyors as long as the vessel fulfilled all relevant rules and regulations regarding safety and stability. If the crew decides to load the ship with too much cargo, not lash it properly and then tell the passengers to stay in their cabins when they should have abandoned ship, it’s not the designer’s fault. It took so long for the vessel to sink that all of the passengers would have survived if the evacuation had been started after the crew noticed something was wrong. For the same reason, you can’t sue a car manufacturer for a driver malfunction…[/QUOTE]

It is a little early in the investigation to hang class or the nav arch, but if the sister ship had Forty (40) defective rafts, it is time to start hanging some office staff. Period. No way that sort of thing can be coincidence or chance or fault of any number of crew. No way. It is systemic failure of rotten to the core operation. These passengers were kids for the love of God and to place them in such harms way deliberately started at the office and rotted thru the ranks. Shameful.

I stand by my earlier post. What in the hell was any Officer thinking to give the order to don life jackets but remain inside the ship? Even if, after the compartment filled with water, the kids decided to disobey the order to stay put, it was too late. You can’t convince a ‘civilian’ to remove their life jacket on a sinking ship. It seems counter-intuitive to them, but ultimately cost them their lives.

[B]Never wear a flotation device inside a ship! No matter what any ships official tells you! [/B]

[QUOTE=txwooley;136361]I stand by my earlier post. What in the hell was any Officer thinking to give the order to don life jackets but remain inside the ship? Even if, after the compartment filled with water, the kids decided to disobey the order to stay put, it was too late. You can’t convince a ‘civilian’ to remove their life jacket on a sinking ship. It seems counter-intuitive to them, but ultimately cost them their lives.

[B]Never wear a flotation device inside a ship! No matter what any ships official tells you! [/B][/QUOTE]

The easy answer is that they were murderous criminals but I don t think that is likely.

Peoples minds work differently under stress,the final words recorded on the Air France flt that crashed in the Atlantic were along the lines of “this can’t be happening”

Likely they did not expect the ship to continue to heel over but believed that it could be corrected. So no need to prepare to abandon ship. Obvious this is a mistake . Perhaps having the passengers prepare to abandon ship but not go to their stations seemed proportional to the danger, this is also a mistake but a common one. Likely they thought more preparations led to panic, this is an error as well.

. It’s been reported that the crew had little training and this is precisely the mistakes an untrained crew would make. In fact passengers are less likely to panic if they are told early in a situation that there is a problem and mustering is simply a precaution. Also at the appropriate time to order the passengers to muster at the abandon ship stations, if it will fell like an overreaction, but you go ahead and do it.

As far as the order to stay inside, that order may not have been coming from the bridge but from crew in charge of the passengers, like in the pursuer’s office. The bridge may have been cut off from the ship’s office and the office stayed on script while awaiting an update that never came.

The Prime Minister of S. Korea just resigned. Just on the news.

Just read in Maritime Executive that the Korean Federal Investigators have raided the Korean class society offices. Also they found that the liferafts on the Sewol’s sister ship were inoperable.

[QUOTE=catherder;136470]The Prime Minister of S. Korea just resigned. Just on the news.[/QUOTE]

That is admirable of the Prime Minister. When is the last time a high USA government official resigned because they felt that lack of oversight on their watch contributed to disaster? Did the Secretary of the Interior offer a resignation when the Horizon blew or the Secretary of the Treasury after the banking melt down?

SMH (shaking my head) at the criminal neglect.

Were the life rafts themselves defective or the launch apparatus (aren’t they davit launched)? Or both?

Those poor kids.

I think it was the rafts because even with a defective davit two or three adults should be able to unlash them and throw them into the water. They’re heavy but you can still launch them by “hand”.