Solution to Social Security Admin Solvency

Not every issue rises to the need for a constitutional amendment. For the issues you cited, I personally wouldn’t classify abortion and marijuana as needing to be regulated federally.

However, a federal licencing agency (ie, the USCG) has latitude to make their own regs such that marijuana is disallowed.

so you get checked at a boader crossing and my state can charge and imprison you as its illegal.

In the case of SSA every American has a social security account. The system is funded by payroll taxes.

A time is set five years in the future where the single federal system will be divided along league lines. Congress then requires the old SSA to now divide the accounts between the two or more leagues based on where each individual lives.

The money stays in the union, just at the league level and not the federal level.

Each citizen now has five years to declare which state they will live in, in order to determine which league SSA their account ends up in. For most retirees it’s not a big matter at first because they are fully vested, whatever league they are in.

Where it matters is for young workers who aren’t vested yet. Because each league will have different SSA rules. How different would affect their economy.

A Blue league dominated by CA, WA, NY, NJ, IL would have the same SSA benefits as today, because those states are among the wealthiest in the union, and because culturally they are in favor of social programs. Crucially, they pay out more in federal tax dollars than they receive and a lot of that is on social programs is Red states. That money can now be returned to Blue league SSA and social programs.

Red states on the other hand despise the Nanny State.They would have no problem reducing their social programs ( or so I hear all the time) in line with their expenses.

Young workers in each league may decide which league provides the better deal, based on personal social values.

Yeah basically. Similar to gun ownership/concealment laws currently.

Look, if you’re carrying weed (or a gun), you know you’re dealing with a continuous issue. It’s up to you to know the rules of you’re going to go state to state with it.

So the Fed has the money to divide up and pass to each state, if that was true this conversation wouldnt be happening lol
Not to mention each state now has to invest and get a return on that money?

Whatever money, real or fictitious on the federal level remains real or fictitious on the league level.

League congressional members are federal congressional members doing double-duty. They meet in DC. The money doesn’t go from the league to a state. The taxes go from the states to their leagues, in line with a national banking system. The retiree gets a check every month from the league SSA, not from an individual state.

In all respects league SSAs are just the federal SSA with a line drawn the middle. At first. Over the years each league’s policies and tax base will reshape the size of their SSA. But that’s just a quantitative change.

Each league is now incentivized to provide the best funding for their own SSA. Or not. Depending on what is important to their own citizens.

The real difference between the league
-level of government and the other levels:

A league only deals with social programs. Nothing else.

A league has no chief executive. The function of executive is performed by a quorum of states governors.

A league’s criminal law only deals with malfeasance of league funds. It has no courts of its own but relies on state courts to adjudicate its cases.

Your dreaming about a functioning system.
Where is the current source of funds coming from to start it?
States cant print money.

SSA benefits are currently funded by payroll taxes. When the league system kicks in everything remains the same. The money just goes to the league treasuries not the federal treasury. And not state treasuries.

It’s still U.S money from the U.S. financial system, administered by the Fed. The league SSAs are overseen by the regular congressional representatives. If the Fed decides more money needs to be printed for whatever reason they’ll do it.

You keep thinking of a league as a nation. It isn’t. The league system simply isolates decision making over social programs into two arenas instead of one.

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That only works when todays paying in significantly outnumber those taking out
Thats why all unfunded gov pensions are in trouble
Something to do with headine above…Solvent?
Most gov pension are a ponzi scheme once the workers got old because they run on current funding.

It’s more than the number of people that pay in it’s about the amount of funding. Many people do not pay into the US social security system. Exempt incomes are capital gains, gifts, inheritances, investment income, and jury duty pay. In addition in 2024 once you made $168,000 in income the deduction stops. So the burden of paying into the system falls to those who work for wages making less than $168000 and their employers. Employers, especially large corporations would prefer to see the system abolished much as they hate defined benefit plans which they have pretty much made a thing of the past.

One side is the 48.3 percent of voters who opposed the insurgent MAGA fascists and other anti democracy morons.

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wait till they get their USAID bonus checks, all will be on the same side less those with terminal TDS and MDS.
and or

They find out the fake SSA customers all did mail in votes at the previous election??

We could make a slight variation of the league SSA plan where the accounts stay exactly where they are in the federal system but each league manages their citizens accounts in accordance with their own league’s rules.

But the trouble with that is each league’s accounts would be susceptible to a demented president allowing a foreign-born plutocrat unfettered access to the most sensitive financial data on the planet, without taking an oath to protect that data and the Constitution.

We have to stop that, or at least provide a fire-stop to keep both SSAs from being breached.

Thus the best way is at least two SSAs each of which can only be accessed by vote of a league’s congressmen and the ok of a quorum of states governors.

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Here’s a map showing maker states and taker states. The lighter colored states pay more into the federal system than they take out. Much of that is for social programs;


I developed the idea for leagues after reading JD Vance’s book. Yes, the VP of the USA.

Vance wrote that he grew up in rural Ohio surrounded by poverty and his ultimate take on the reason for the poverty was this: the people were impoverished precisely because they were getting social program money. They had no incentive, he believed, to better themselves.

Moreover, he wrote that those very people living on money sent to them by other states hated and and despised the people in those other states, and that hatred was narrowly focused along political lines.

Those poor people didn’t hate the citizens of maker states like KS or TX. They hated the faggots from CA with a passion, even though CA was, proportionally, funneling them more money than any other state.

If you believe JD Vance you have to ask yourself, Why are Blue maker-states sending money to Red taker-states that hate and despise them? Especially when the politicians in those states say they despise the Nanny State anyway.

It makes no sense. So cut off the money flow for social programs from Blue states to Red states. The Red League states can then reduce social programs, thereby, according to them, increasing prosperity and self- reliance.

They get exactly what they want

The Blue maker-states, without increasing gross taxation, would now have more money to bolster their league’s SSA because dollars aren’t being redistributed to so many taker states. The Blue League would still have taker- states in it but those states would be culturally aligned with the rest of the league, eliminating friction, and thereby forestalling, to a degree, any impetus toward civil war.

Both sides get exactly what they want.

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We saw this with reconstruction and desegregation. Federal orders backed up by troops were required to make society in the South more equitable twice; once during reconstruction, which was of course following a Civil War, and then once again during desegregation in the 50’s and 60’s. In both cases federal law enforced by federal courts and force were the only thing that could bring these states around to the fact that all men are created equal.

In neither case did it lead to Civil War though the first instance was on the heels of a Civil War with the losing side being forced to follow the laws of nation.

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Bank and government jobs generally had copper bottomed pension plans and low pay. The low pay is the only thing remaining for those at the bottom.

cant wait for the fight to create the leagues, who wants a taker state on their team?

How about waste
Are we going to find out if there are more payouts than people in the USA?

How many more 0.1% ? 1? 10?

I was told there was proof positive that 145-year old people were getting millions of checks.

Only to have a few honest right-wing commentators admit that that was utter bullshit.

So, how many bogus payouts are you going to count as widespread fraud? 1 out of 67 million? A hundred? A 1000 out of 67 million (0.00001% of the total?) What is your yardstick?

Reminds me of the voting fraud Big Lie. Even voting audits conducted by the right-wing Heritage Foundation and MAGA organizations find 0.000001% voting fraud in this country, and yet the cult still cries Voting Fraud! every damn day, despite the fact that their own auditors prove they are full of shit.

So, to answer your question:

In a statistically significant sense, No.
In cult-logic: pick your number, because you never cared about the true answer anyway.

So many old men yelling at so many clouds…

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Not necessarily “old men” but a huge number of barely literate and angry people who are very afraid of a changing society that no longer tolerates their ignorance and hatred for those who promote or even accept social and scientific advance. They are suffering from the poor financial choices they made all their lives and cannot accept that they are the source of their condition, not the victim of a society they are not equipped to accept. They are the people who cannot or will not see through the smokescreen of corrupt politicians who use them and their anger as tools which inevitably lead to even greater misery. Like Germans in 1933, they fell for the shiny objects promised by a charismatic monster who used them to fuel for his own hatred.

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