Seafarers Held At Gunpoint

I agree with you except for the story about the guy on a daytrip with his son. Hopefully he remembered the officers name & became a giant pain in the ass for that psycho. I hope all the camo dressed assholes that I ran across over years would have lightened up in the presence of children but who knows?

Technically not at gunpoint perhaps as that implies the weapon is being deliberately pointed at someone which may not have the case.

The incident I heard about via email from the captain, same company, U.S. Flag. It’s been awhile and I don’t recall the details but the gist of it involved involved Coast Guard personnel armed with rifles rounding up the crew in the mess.

crikey
Fisheries and Wildlife in oz come to your boat with shotguns and dogs, side arms always holstered as all officials.
Are we saying holstered side arms are a threat??
They never pull the side arms out as in OZ the rule is if he gun comes out your dead, there are no threats and warnings.

The old expression that “there are a few bad apples in every bushel” is as true for LEO as for all groups. I think the question that needs answering is are we as a nation headed in a direction that is good, i.e. towards protecting our God given rights, or are we headed in a direction that is bad, i.e. one that is moving towards the restriction or even denial of those rights? Personally, it seems clear to me in which direction we are headed, but I would like to hear what the members of this forum say.

I agree but the bigger problem is that everyone knows who the bad apples are and nothing is done about it.

And that’s not just with LEO, it’s every industry (and some would argue this forum too).

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The expression is some variation of “One bad apple spoils the bunch”.

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I’m not sure that’s accurate. I don’t think your comments on this forum are any less relevant or helpful when a bad apple shows up here and spoils the conversation. I have several LEO friends who complain frequently about the few bad apples in their shop. I often say “well, you do have the power to arrest them” but they just roll their eyes. These guys do nothing to stop the bad apples yet they mostly continue to do a good job at work and genuinely want to help people.

Speaking from personal experience it was the worst apples aboard early ships of mine that taught me the most about how not to do things.

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I would like to know the details on this incident. An officer pointing a gun at a six year old during a boarding would be a serious violation and I’d like to know what disciplinary action the officer faced afterwards.

I bet he got the same thing as the officer in the picture below. A slap on the back, a free beer & bragging rights.

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I think there’s a glitch in the forum software because I have a notification of a reply, and I remember reading a reply but the reply has disappeared.

How to glitch I deleted it Because it’s personal story and people have a way of digging up old threads with my personal stories and using them against me.

I’ll send it to you in a PM

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I can respect that, but I think you should be more careful in your choice of words in the future.

In a general sense the carrying of slung firearms by boarding teams is typically done in condition 3 because SMGs and patrol rifles cannot be holstered. Slung firearms are often held in the low ready position because it gives greater control over the firearm. This is often misinterpreted as a threatening stance, but really it just gives the officer more control over the firearm which he has to carry anyways.

I’m not saying this as any comment on your personal situation because I wasn’t there and I don’t have any opinion on how that officer conducted himself. I started my commercial fishing career in California and I’ve dealt with their boarding teams. They seem high strung but there’s a lot of drug trade that moves by sea and you have to judge them on the conditions they have to operate in.

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good points but I did not say he was threatening us. What I said was “he was pointing a weapon at my son.”

I am not an expert but I was on the board of a maritime security team run by former SEALs, I’ve had some tactical training, edited tactical procedures, and sat through many lectures on weapons training.

I don’t think most people in my situation would’ve even understood the danger my son was in. It was my experience that made that danger clear.

This guy’s actions were not on purpose. They were the result of poor situational awareness, poor emotional control, and poor weapons training.

MSC is the worst. I was 5 months overdue in 2021 and nobody cared. It was a joke. I have sailed 42 years in all engineering positions except CE gas turbines. I recently had a medical issue and the ship told me I was fit for duty after the ships medical officer checked my BP. I went to a local clinic and my BP was way off. I told MSC you can determine my FFD over the phone. My attorney will love that. Maritime law states that the company who employs you is responsible to get medical attention asap. Nobody did shit. I went a local “urgent care “ and they verified the results. MSC needs to be sued for millions because they don’t do this to an educated person but every person they employ. My DEMAC on the west coast had a NFFD and someone on the west coast told him he was FFD. His wife was a doctor and next thing you know NFFD. MSC backs down from informed individuals. According to maritime law a company delaying medical treatment for a seamen is libel for the problems caused by delaying. I have seen this twice , once for me and once for my deck engine machinist.

My BP on the ship was 155/ 92 first take.
Second time was 165/ 109

Class action lawsuit ?

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Where’s the gun in your rant? Have you not heard about blood pressure meds?