It’s ‘catching on’ because you fall for the mass, manic, phobia of CO2 - which the world would benefit from much more of. Reducing it is based on a fraud designed to impoverish you and the unfortunate billions living less fortunate lives.
It’s ‘catching on’ because of one word, compulsion. Bend over and beg for more punishment. “Please, sir. May I have another?”
Have any of you ever been to sea? Looked outside? Noticed the relative wind coming from the ahead arc? Never felt the pressure to deliver on time? Without tacking across an ocean doubling the distance sailed?
Stop it. You’ll go blind.
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mass, manic, phobia
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Oh, Mughead again - right!
Mini sail ship:
Pride of Baltimore II
“Perhaps the most beautiful vessel that ever floated on the ocean … she sat as light & buoyant on the water as a graceful swan, & it required but very little imagination to feel that she was about to leave her watery element & fly into the clear, blue sky. She is truly the pride of Baltimore.” — Niles’ Weekly Register, April 15, 1815, reporting on CHASSEUR’s return to Baltimore.
Enjoy this clip of PRIDE II racing down the Bay in the 2025 Great Chesapeake Bay Schooner Race courtesy of Tim Mangus
Source: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BMyoymAVu/
Full Video:
Back to modern wind powered vessels:
https://www.starclippers.com/eu/our-fleet/royal-clipper.html
Here is your chance to visit the magnificent tallship “Sørlandet”:
: Sjømannskirken i New York
Source: https://www.facebook.com/NorwayNYC
Seen here with all sails set:
PS: I climb those masts during “pre-sea training” exactly 67 years ago. (Febr. - April 1959)
Her itinerary for 2025/26:
Named “Sail Training Organization of the Year - Large Vessel” for 2025:
They must be extra careful while leaving the berth though. Pilots and tugs seem to very relaxed there. 
Link doesn’t work for me.
".. wind…20 kts, it reports 12 kts solely under sail… will be able to reach up to 17 knots "
And this latest from IMO…
Sails Set for Wider Uptake as IMO Defines Wind Propulsion Work Plan
But that just means…
“.. a workplan for..
.. the development of..
.. a framework..
.. to support the reduction etc..”
… i.e. more meetings!
I have asked after looking up parameters of this frigate
Length * 108.8 m (357 ft) LOA with bowsprit . Without 94.2 mtr
Beam 14 m
Height 62.1 m (204 ft)
Displacement 2,946 Mt
Deadweight at 6,6 m: 701 Mt
Sail plan Full-rigged ship, sail area: 3,015 m2 (32,450 sq ft)
Highest mast 49.5 mtrs
Speeds:
Under full sail:
biggest daily run/24 hrs: 264,7 [Mm ) av speed 11,29 kt
biggest run on watch/4 hrs : 56,1 Mm (average v= 14,2 kt
max speed ever reached but not constant : 19,6 kt 2003 North Sea /storm and following winds.
Now basis some data from the cont vesssel above .
220 x 32.2 x 9.5 = 67 298 cubm pls recheck
Cb block coefficient -lets say 0.63
volume = 67298 x 0.63 =42 398 cubm , hence 42 398 x 1.025=43 458 Mt circa about.
Listed deadweight = 27400 so : 43 458 - 27 400 = 16 058 mt light ship
so i am having problem with the draft 9.5 because
" A ship’s design draft is the specific, planned vertical distance between the waterline and the bottom of the hull (keel) when fully loaded to its intended capacity. It is a fundamental naval architecture parameter used for calculating vessel stability, cargo capacity, and ensuring safe navigation by determining minimum water depth."
Smart ass AI delivered this:
For a ship with a length between perpendiculars of 220 m, a beam of 32.2 m, and a design draft of 9.5 m, the estimated empty weight (known as Lightship Weight or Lightweight) typically ranges between 10,000 and 15,000 metric tons.
This estimate is based on the ship’s displacement at its design draft and typical weight ratios for vessels of this size, such as Panamax-class bulk carriers or container ships.
Weight Breakdown & Estimation
Total Displacement:
At a design draft of 9.5 m, the total weight of the water displaced (the ship plus everything on it) is approximately 50,000 to 60,000 metric tons, depending on the hull’s fullness (Block Coefficient).
Lightship Ratio: For merchant cargo ships, the empty weight (lightship) usually accounts for 15% to 25% of the total displacement.
Empty Weight (Lightship):
Lower Bound: ~10,000 tons (more likely for a highly optimized bulk carrier).
Upper Bound: ~15,000 tons (common for container ships with heavy lashing bridges and powerful engines
So this ship seems to be a bit heavy in light condition .
All above aside lets compare this estimated displacement of 43 458 mt with displacement of the frigate which is : 2946
43458/2946 = 14.75 , so this ship is ca 14.8 times heavier then the frigate .
Sail area is only 2 times bigger then the frigate
L/B 220/32.2= 6.83 T= 9.5 mtr and 94.2/14=6.73 T= 6.6 m
In conclusion I have no idea how they achieved such a speed with their vessel which is ca 15 times heavier and 3 mtrs deeper , 18.2 mtr wider . Some kind of magic .
Is there any body on this forum who can at least comment on above quote to explain how the magic works.???
One benefit the cruise ship will have is a far more efficient set of sails with rotating masts without standing rigging supporting the masts considerably reducing adverse windage of that rigging. Thus the ability to minutely trim sails perfectly for the prevailing conditions is easier and the sails themselves are of more efficient shape and thus produce better thrust. Modern sail cloth is also a factor in being capable of supporting large, durable sails which maintain shape over time
The sails of your fully rigged ship were ultimately the result of centuries of development but were limited by sails having to be handled manually by small crews thus not being large, efficient single sails but smaller sails which themselves had to be fitted in between the standing rigging supporting the masts.
Nowadays such training ships have large crews and are deliberately designed to make work for the crew and require character building aspects such as working aloft, heavy manual hauling on running rigging and competitive sail handling.
I also suspect trials reports put a glossy tinge on such factors as the sailing ability of a ship which will have its sails as a selling point to entice prospective passengers.
An admiral friend of mine took his wife on a sailing cruise ship and, when I asked him how she sailed, he replied that they put the sails up sometimes as if to show them off but that she never achieved any distance under sail. Such cruise ship have scheduled port visits and (in my humble sailing experience) such ports are very often upwind.
I suspect the sails are more for show, not getting from port to port.
