READ THIS FIRST! If you are thinking about becoming a mariner

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Reality Is Nothing Like The Dream [/U]

So you got it somewhere in your head that a life at sea is for you. The constant adventure, interesting port calls, the mesmerizing sunrise and sunsets on the water, the never ending sea stories to tell those back home are all you can think about. You’ve watched too many movies. Those days, if they ever really existed, are long dead. The United States no longer has a robust blue water shipping fleet. Military Sealift Command and NOAA are the closest one gets to blue water shipping and the disadvantages far out way the advantages for most of us mariners. The majority of jobs are now on tugs and oil field vessels. While these jobs offer their own challenges and rewards it’s not what you have seen on TV. This is a serious business and we have no time for guys come out here with romantic visions of shared hardships and gallant struggles. We bust our ass to make it home to our families and the hope for a better life for them and ourselves through our paychecks. At the end of the day that’s all that counts too many of us.

If you really want to know what life is like on a work boat visit the link below for a real run down of what life is like for a deckhand. While it’s geared more for the navy, 95% of it holds true for the commercial side.
http://goatlocker.org/resources/nav/simulate.htm

[U]Are You Sure You Want To Do This?
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Still not scared off? Then sit down and ask yourself the following questions and see if you are really ready to commit and make the sacrifices needed to start working.

1- Can you go weeks if not months without talking to anybody at home? I mean this, NOBODY, not your parents, not your friends, not your wife, not your kids. If you are married can your family live without you for the length of your hitch? Do you have small kids and can your wife handle being essentially a single parent for 6 to 9 months out of the year? Your world while at work can consist of a very small boat for weeks at a time, with as few as 3 other guys onboard that you will more than likely have nothing in common with and the only time you step on land is to take the garbage to the dumpster while at the dock. There are no quick runs to the store, no nights on the town, just the boat.

2- I don’t care how old you are, what your background is or how educated you think you are. You know nothing the first year at sea. You are now working in a heavy industrial environment with the added fun of inclement weather and confined spaces. I don’t expect you to know everything, but I do expect you ask questions and listen. Good rule of thumb is if you don’t know what something is or what it does ask about it, but until then do not touch. This means you are going to have to put your ego in check and expect that you are going to be chewed out over something eventually, multiply times actually. You are going to be expected to do the tough dirty jobs that have to get done. Your days are going to consist of long hours of boredom separated by tons of cleaning, painting, and working on deck.

3- You need at minimum a Transportation Worker Identification Cars (TWIC). This cost $150 plus the time to it takes to go to whatever office is closest to you TWIC. Once to apply, once to pick it up. If you want a better chance a Merchant Mariner Document (MMD) with your Basic Safety Training (BST) as laid out by STCW can help. The MMD along with physical and drug screen will be around $300 and your BST is another $500 to $1000. This plus the cost needed to go find a job can add up so best to have some money saved up.

4- Chances are if you found GCaptain then you have some aspirations of being an officer. That’s fine, but realizes that it will take years of sea time and weeks of classes to even get your Able Seaman (AB) or 100 ton master license. If you want 500/1600 ton mate or masters then even more years of sea time and month of classes. All of this outlined by the Coast Guard and they change the rules all the time. You are never really done as every five years when you come up for your license renewal you will have to take some refresher courses. Sadly none of this will be done while you are at work but done while you are on your off time. It is expensive to take these classes and while sometimes you can get your company to pay for the classes, room, and board, don’t count on it. Also these classes are only held in certain parts of the country so unless you are extremely lucky to live close to one of these schools count of more time away from your family.

5- This industry is EXTREMELY cyclic. We go from boom to bust literally overnight. If a stead fast job security is important to you look somewhere else.

[U]Look Mom I’m An Ordinary Seaman![/U]

So you’ve taken a sometime and thought about it and are still interested in starting a career at sea but don’t know quite how to start let’s see if I can help.

1- TWIC http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/twic/index.shtm

Start here. Find your nearest enrollment center, make an appointment and go get it. Takes about 6 weeks for it to come in. You can not apply for your MMD until you have applied for your TWIC,

2- Get a Psychical using Coat Guard Form CG-719ke. Print it out and hand it to your doctor, make sure they sign it when they are through filling it out.
http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/medical/forms/cg719ke.pdf

3- Don’t forget your drug screen. Here is a list of CG approved place to go along with the form that needs to be filled out when submitting everything to the CG.

http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/drug_testing.asp

http://www.uscg.mil/forms/cg/CG_719P.pdf

4- Find a BST class close that you that you can afford. Go to the pull down menu and select Basic Safety Training and the approved course throughout the country come up. If you see a course being offered somewhere but do not see them on this list ask to see their certificate from the Coast Guard. It will have the name of the course on it with expiration date on it. Make sure it’s for the class you want and that it hasn’t expired.

http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/courses/approved_courses_course.asp

5- Ok now you’ve got everything together fill out the application for you MMD get all your copies of forms and certificates and submit everything to the nearest CG office and hopefully in 2-4 weeks you will get a packet from Martinsville WV with your MMD in it.

[http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/download-docs/CG-719B-F5_(03-04).pdf](http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/download-docs/CG-719B-F5_%2803-04%29.pdf)

Head to the Maritime Employment section for Part 2 about how to find a job.

Got a Debbie Downer here. This industry is great. You can go where ever you want. The oil field jobs are expanding globally, there is still a sun in the gulf, plenty of sea stories to be had. This life is what you make it. Sure it’s not sunshine and lollipops every day and there is shit to be taken, but it sure as hell beats any other job I can think of. Well, besides DJ at a strip club.

[QUOTE=tamugly;74329]Got a Debbie Downer here. This industry is great. You can go where ever you want. The oil field jobs are expanding globally, there is still a sun in the gulf, plenty of sea stories to be had. This life is what you make it. Sure it’s not sunshine and lollipops every day and there is shit to be taken, but it sure as hell beats any other job I can think of. Well, besides DJ at a strip club.[/QUOTE]

There you go I agree with that.

Did somebody say strip club lol

I don’t remember where I heard or read it way back when but don’t forget that…

“Going to sea is like going to prison with the added chance of drowning”

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;74371]I don’t remember where I heard or read it way back when but don’t forget that…

“Going to sea is like going to prison with the added chance of drowning”[/QUOTE]

"No man will be a sailor who has contrivance enough to get himself into a jail; for being in a ship is being in a jail, with the chance of being drowned… a man in a jail has more room, better food, and commonly better company."
Samuel Johnson

Commonly mis-attributed to Mark Twain (AKA Samuel Clemons)

I think that quote was posted on a wall somewhere at Piney Point. Many brain cells have perished in the last 20 years. Thanks for the whole quote I knew there was more to it than what I remembered.

The one thing we do have over jail is that we don’t have to worry about dropping the soap and have control over the locks for our doors.

As for being called a Debbie Downer, get a few years out here and the glamor wares off. I love what I do and can’t imagine doing anything else, but there are certain realities that need to be faced and the sooner the better. I don’t want somebody to waste all the time and money to get a job out here and after a hitch or two want to quite because they didn’t realize they would be so far from momma and the kids. Seen it happen before and will see it again.

That’s what sucks its a catch 22. You can read and watch all the books posts movies etc. shit even go to an academy, but you really can’t and wont know if it’s for you without doing what we do. The catch? Jumping through all the hoops to get the job and get your feet wet to find out its not for you. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Jemplayer;74449]The one thing we do have over jail is that we don’t have to worry about dropping the soap and have control over the locks for our doors.[/QUOTE]

Speak for yourself sailor!

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What a wonderful way to start the day! I certainly hope that today will not be all boring like yesterday was. Hopefully today we’ll get another “Flag Officer” here…oh, what fine skylarking we’ll have then me lads!

It looks like its about time to bump this up again.

It’s all lies because we all live “The Dream.”

My dream is not to get stuck getting up at 5:30 every morning, driving 50 minutes to a corporate campus, sitting in a cubical staring at a monitor all day, with a 10 minute break in the morning, a 30 minute lunch break that you eat at your desk and another 10 minute break in the afternoon. Then drive to the local college after work to take some continuing education classes lest you fall behind your peers. Get home at 10, have some left over dinner with a beer and go to bed. Job security on land? Ha, your just one poor performace report from getting fired.

Industrial mishaps - they happen on land too. Drowning? Not so much but you can die just as quickly running your daily commute.

I’m not sure what the point of this thread is but given the choice, I’ll take my chances at sea.

[QUOTE=AHTS Master;83500]It’s all lies because we all live “The Dream.”[/QUOTE]

Some live pleasant dreams, some live nightmares - Some don’t try to do anything, some try to do everything - It all depends upon you.
Sooner or later you will find your own gait, work with it, hopefully sooner than later.
That said, knowing who I am, in today’s brown water, I would not bother, but that was/is my gait.
Find yours ~

The United States does not need a Federal Maritime Academy for brown water and off shore operations.

[QUOTE=Jetryder223;83511]My dream is not to get stuck getting up a 5:30 every morning, Driving 50 minutes to a corporate campus, sitting in a cubical staring at a monitor all day, with a 10 minute break in the morning, a 30 minute lunch break that you eat at your desk and another 10 minute break in the afternoon. Then drive to the local college after work to take some continuing education classes lest you fall behind your peers. Get home at 10, have some left over dinner with a beer and go to bed. Job security on land? Ha, your just one poor performace report from getting fired.

Industrial mishaps - they happen on land too. Drowning? Not so much but you can die just as quickly running your daily commute.

I’m not sure what the point of this thread is but given the choice, I’ll take my chances at sea.[/QUOTE]

My “thanks” button is missing - So I’ll post a sincere thank you, Jetryder.

I didn’t pick tug life,tug life picked me…

[QUOTE=Rebel_Rider1969;83531]I didn’t pick tug life,tug life picked me…[/QUOTE]

How does that happen?

Not trying to put words into Rebs mouth, but when you see what you DON’T want, seeing what you do want becomes almost second nature. Sort of like wiping after you take a shit. You realize soon that little extra is worth risking getting a little shit on your hands!

[QUOTE=Rebel_Rider1969;83531]I didn’t pick tug life,tug life picked me…[/QUOTE]

Yup. Happened to me, too. Glad that it did. It made for a very interesting time.

I "ve been on the sea all my life. Lots of stories…no regrets. You are absolutely right…it beats the hell out of any other job!