Of course we all knew this...it was the Navee's fault...TWICE!


#122

I already have a DP maintainer. I’ve been around long enough to see several generations of DP systems I know how they work.

Amazing coincidence, my company also requires ETO’s onboard every Diesel electric OSV and all of the MPSV’s, CSV’s, and FU’s.


#123

Here is IMCA Guidelines M-117 Rev.I, which is worldwide industry standard for vessels classified as DP-2 and DP-3:
https://www.imca-int.com/publications/97/the-training-and-experience-of-key-dp-personnel/

I presume that on your FUs you do comply with these guidelines??

PS> If you want to continue this debate we better move to a separate thread, otherwise the pointed stick will be forthcoming from a certain gentleman you don’t want to upset.


#124

Yes that certain gentleman believes that would be a very wise course of action in this regard


#125

Do you have a source for that that does not require IMCA membership?


#126

I believe this should get you there. This is actually Rev. 2 of 2016 and I think the most up to date version:
https://www.imca-int.com/.../97/the-training-and-experience-of-key-dp-personnel/

Here is a follow up from Kongsberg dated 27.Sept. 2017:
https://www.kongsberg.com/.../IMCA%20M117%20Defining%20Roles%20of%20Ke

It opens OK here. Please let me know if it does so your end as well.


#127

That’s the same link you posted before. It requires you to be an IMCA member or pay for the download.

Non existent page.


#128

I just googled the following:
IMCA Guidelines M-117 Rev.2,

The pages I linked to were both in refr. to PDFs and opened without problem from Google Chrome, but not from the links I posted apparently.

Here is one that offer free download with trial:


#129

If you’re an IMCA member download it and share it.


#130

I find the navy’s report on the two destroyer collisions mind boggling.
Today a new comment on g-captain ( a retired admiral ) throws more sand in your eyes and makes very simple responsibilities and tasks appear complicated.
Honestly: When people on watch on a vessel don’t know how to reduce speed or alter course and are not looking out, what do you expect?
These are tasks performed round the clock on any fishing vessel, yacht or supertanker without problems.
Why should this be a insurmountable problem in a navy vessel?
I don’t care what internal problems the navy has with command or off-hours - just solve it for Christ sake.
My wife does a better job on our boat - and she has never had any formal training!


#131

I find the navy’s report on the two destroyer collisions mind boggling.
Today a new comment on g-captain ( a retired admiral ) throws more sand in your eyes and makes very simple responsibilities and tasks appear complicated.
Honestly: When people on watch on a vessel don’t know how to reduce speed or alter course and are not looking out, what do you expect?
These are tasks performed round the clock on any fishing vessel, yacht or supertanker without problems.
Why should this be a insurmountable problem in a navy vessel?
I don’t care what internal problems the navy has with command or off-hours - just solve it for Christ sake.
My wife does a better job on our boat - and she has never had any formal training!


#132

Ok Let me give it a try.
IMCA 117, Rev. 2:
IMCA M 117 Training and Experience of Key DP Personnel.pdf (1.4 MB)

IMO Circ. 738. Rev. 2:
MSC.1-CIRC.738-Rev.2.pdf (33.2 KB)

Kongsberg defining roles of key DP personnel:
IMCA M117 Defining Roles of Key DP Personnel_Andy Goldsmith_IMCA (2).pdf (1.3 MB)

Hope this work and will be informative.


#133

All three worked perfectly, thank you.


#134

MSC. Pilots I know referred to this company as "more s**t coming.


#135

Are you talking about the same as DeckApe?
MSC = Military Sealift Command. (I.e US Navy support wing)
MSC = Mediterranean Shipping Company (Swiss owned Container and Cruise line)
The last is the 3rd largest Container Shipping Line in the world:
https://www.joc.com/maritime-news/container-lines/mediterranean-shipping-co

PS> COSCO has bypassed Maersk as the biggest and MSC as the 2nd largest container shipping company recently: https://theloadstar.co.uk/cosco-takes-biggest-container-line-title-maersk-bumper-q3/

PPS> It is still a privately own company and changed CEO/Chairman from father to son in 2014:


#136

I forgot about the acronym for Military Sealift Comand. I was referring to the lot from the Med. They gave us MSC Rena among others.


#137

Haze grey, stay away is for real. When USN watchstanders call out distances in yards, (no one uses yards any longer including US nationals, what are they thinking) and in relation to the relative site picture out of their bridge windows instead of out of the contact they are calling, then nothing will change.