It’s a federal job subject to the same leave/PTO time and rules as if you’re in an office (with some additional categories carved out over the years when manpower demanded it).
Here’s the main link for MSC Leave programs with all the links. And yes, congress sets federal leave, including MSC.
Very few. Crowley’s oil rig towing tugs are union.
I was attacked by a drunken Bos’n with a knife (onboard during working hours) in Baltimore in 1981 when I was O/S with MSC He was later promoted to Third Mate I witnessed a fight at the gangway between two messmen while I was on watch as AB in 1990 One stabbed the other with a sharpened screwdriver A year later I saw the guy who did the stabbing was a Chief Steward and the guy who got stabbed was fired for being a new hire involved in a fight Don’t get me started about MSC! I spent 17 years there before I finally quit Been on contract ships much of the time after that
The ADCO makes about $90K per year
Totally agree!
It’s a Federal Govt job and like all Govt jobs which are under OPM, you can’t just change leave/pay practices without the approval of funding from Congress to allow it. This is pretty basic stuff. The funds come from taxpayer dollars, MSC has been working this for years and finally getting some traction due to the decreased state of manning. Growing pains but they are at least attempting to do better.
How many years has MSC been crewed by CIVMARS?!?
Since about 1949. Way before my time but it used to be commonly referred to as Navy Sealift Command in the 1970’s. It was not a bad gig. The US Navy would build ships that on the plans were to be manned by US Navy personnel which was BS. When a new 3rd engineer came on board he was shocked to find a stateroom instead of a bunk as that room would be normally occupied by a high ranking US Navy officer. I don’t know about now but it used to be the Navy would not count Civmar manned ships as part of the Navy. They would then complain about the shrinking US Navy and demand more funding. Anyone with a brain could see thru this then. Now? They don’t even question, just shovel money out the door.
My understanding was that the navy manned the ships until 1970 when the name was changed and civilian crewing began. Either way, passing the waste of resources off as growing pains is a lame excuse.
Seems like a work around that would not result in any additional cost would be allowing the mariner to go into a leave without pay status if he wants.
For example, does 4 months onboard, gets relieved, gets any vacation days he’s due, then if he’s not ready to go to the pool again, goes into a LWP status for a maximum of X months before being required to report back to the pool. If he doesn’t show after X months, it’s considered a quit.
One thing that would have to be worked out would be medical coverage…when would it stop/could he pay the premiums himself to maintain it/etc.
Nope there were Civmars way before that. It wo be helpful is voters knew where their tax dollars were going. But voters are not curious about such things i
They are currently working on a 4/2 schedule with the 2 months off paid. It’s a cry far better than the current plan however still pales in comparison to the commercial world. MSC has a very different role in shipping though. They make the navy float and they do not have the manpower under the current manning model to allow for an even rotation. Another hurdle
Since the beginning
Before it was renamed MSC, I thought it was MSTS (Military Sea Transportation Service).
Not sure under the new leave/vacation policy, but it was a 125% manning model before.
Even with a 150%, they still need to hire quality personnel instead of the garbage they have been recruiting.
So nothing’s changed in 20 years.
MSC should just put all their vessels into operating and maintenance agreement’s (O&M) with private US operators. And have the contracts split as evenly as possible between the all maritime unions. I believe this would save MSC money and allow mariners to have some decent schedules.
MSC should split the bids into smaller bite size pieces like bids for 25-50 of the fleet oilers etc. so there’s not such of a big industry shock as contracts possibly change between operators and unions.
Worst idea I have ever heard.
MSC is the worst in terms of shop management.
The GOCO contracts have become such an incredible shit-show due to MSC incompetence.
If you know what a CCSI is, you know.