Maritime socialist paradise

Have just examined wage scales in another thread.

2026 USA

Master av - abt 960 usd

O/S deckhand - 440 usd

Ratio = 960/440 = 2.18
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1984 any communist country - Ratio hovering around 2.0 +/- 0.2 both basic/total

Looks to me like maritime socialist paradise under the strong dictatorship of proletariat.

In contrast 2026 ITF wages under FOC

Ratio Master/OS - hovering around 4.53 and 5

Looks like FOC environment is appreciating the fact that in order to be a master fg /all oceans > 3000 grt one must use 4-5 years academy, 8-12 av 10 years service as nav off 3,2,choff before being promoted to the rank of the master .

This compared to O/S road map is beyond comparison as well as responsibilities and liabilities.

But as one of the Gents smartly observed :

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what can be summarised as a typical simpleton perspective

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A Master should be making 5 times as much as an OS. Masters are ridiculously underpaid and OSs are ridiculously overpaid on a comparative basis.

The average house in Seattle costs over $1 million. If a Master cannot afford to buy a better than average house (top third of the market), then he is underpaid.

Masters are no longer valued in US society or in the US job market.

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That is what I have concluded looking at this 2.18 ratio. This is ridiculous , this is an insult to this noble profession and position in a capitalistic society.

Honestly I am shocked , hence my socialist paradise comparisons.

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Employment at sea is no longer attractive to any first world young person and those in the third world are working that butts off to make sure that none of their children follow in their footsteps.

Exhibit A: Kiribati master unlimited, tickets obtained White List Flag, Master with a European Company. One child at a boarding school in Fiji, Kiribati has no education beyond middle school. The other is attending university in Australia.

Exhibit B. Filipino mate. European Company. Children at private school in the Philippines with eye watering fees.

There are some very expensive private schools in India

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From studying US maritime pay ratios from the 1980s until now: in the limited tonnage realm an AB makes about half of what a captain makes. 1986, 2026. Little difference in the ratio.

From the standpoint of the employer, here are the market forces;

ABs are transitory positions. Meaning an AB can become a mate, or they can leave the industry altogether. Generally, they move up, or they move out once they get get married and have kids. Long-term static ABs are a uncommon, when you consider all the ABs who quit along the way, and the more uncommon good ABs are, the greater the wage they will command.

Contrast with a captain. Captains pick their jobs as a career. They stay captains, with more and more captains building up every year. There are at times more captains looking for work than ABs, because the transitory nature of ABs results in highs and low of AB supply. Whereas the supply of captains is usually static. Periods of low supply increases cost. Static supply tends to static costs.

Captains are very often in their 50s. Treasured by their companies, certainly, but not overly sought after by American business in general.

On the other hand, beginning ABs are largely drawn from the key component of the American blue-collar workforce: young males with a high school education, a work ethic, and a strong back. Most American employers treasure this demographic above all others. So do police, fire department, and the military. It is a bidding war on these bodies. A boat legally needs ABs to sail, so a company has to pay a good wage for them, or they will get snapped up in some other industry.

How much is a good wage?

Annual AB pay is pretty close to US national figure for annual household income. Say, $80k.That’s the bellwether. Which is not bad. And everything I said goes for QMEDs too.

Shipping companies are in competition with each other. That means keeping costs low. Captains are static, so their pay tends to be static. They aren’t going anywhere.

Upward pressure on the wage scale comes from AB jobs. But since there is a longstanding ratio between AB pay, mate pay and captain pay, if AB pay rises 10% because of lack of ABs then a company raises licensed pay, too, at least 10%. Otherwise the wage-scale falls apart. The scale is: captains make twice as much as ABs, and mates fall in between. That’s what everyone expects, at least since the 1980s. Disturb the scale and you have unrest. Better to just keep it. But the pressure on the whole scale usually comes from rising AB pay.

Now, why do US captains make 2X more than an AB, rather than 5X? If one company raises its captains’ pay to 5 times the bellwether they are suddenly at a financial disadvantage in wage-costs with every other company. Why would they do that? And all the other mariners in the company would demand to make much more also, in the belief that if there is money to pay the captain that amount, there must be money to pay everyone that amount. So the ratio is what it is.

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Absolute sense.

Merchant mariners are not valued in the U.S. for that matter workers in general are not valued in the U.S.

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I don’t think OS’s or any position on board is over paid. I’ve been on limited tonnage tugs & OSV’s where all the deck crew had a master’s or some other license of some sort, no OS’s on board. In those cases, perhaps the OS positions weren’t paying enough? I think it all boils down t o supply & demand, turnover & vessel down-time due to crewing issues. A complex formula where a equilibrium is found until it is lost again. Also @tugsailor , absolutely no offense intended towards you by me saying this, just an opinion/observation of mine. Thank goodness medical advancement & a positive mindset towards the elderly has allowed so many to work well passed traditional retirement age. I wouldn’t be surprised if many mom&pops & smaller companies have more senior aged licensed officers on the payroll compared to 20 something OS’s. The supply of old captains can be kind of high in some places.

780÷ 210= 3.71

Still far fm 5÷1 ratio but much better then 2.18

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