Why do people get mad at people who make money??? Good for Daggett for securing a top union salary, good for the shipping company CEOs for making millions. I am pretty sure only maybe 1% of us on here are capable of holding any executive position, and we all damn sure will negotiate the highest comp packages imaginable. I hope the workers get more money and secure work along with increaesed automation, win win for everyone. What I dont care for is at the end of the day, the consumers take a hit, who have no skin in the game, who did nothing wrong, nor had a voice…oh wait that voice should of been the president who should of enacted Taft-Hartley.
I’m not mad he is making money. I am a little salty he is cosplaying a working man. He is as much a fat cat as the shipping executives and likely provides a lot less value for dollar.
They only got 62%. What a shame.
Poor guys…
How will they ever afford their new rims or 900 inch TV’s?
And just like that, its a non-issue. Nevermind the oh so clear shenanigans with the mob, nevermind the rest.
See everybody in 10? Years!
And i believe they get a check from the ILA as well, or at least the President does I’ve been told.
January 15th, 2025 at least. They still need to work out the verbiage about automation. I’m no ILA supporter but I hope they find a good, practical middle ground on that. Obviously offloading & loading cargo at our nation’s ports is a national security concern & keeping a lot of flesh & bone assets doing the job only makes sense imo. But from my experiences with the ILA, making sense wasn’t their strong suit. Hopefully the ILA 3rd party’s the automation negotiations out to cooler heads.
When containers came into being- and threatened union jobs - the ILA negotiated the “guaranteed wage “ deal- where you shaped up in the morning- and went home by 9:00 and got paid. But the companies got containers
You can not stop technology- never
The ILA will get some short term bone - and declare victory- but automation is coming- and this is the beginning of the of significant ILA power
Only if the ILA lets it. The auto industry is completely automated compared to 50 yrs ago & their membership has been growing in the south in the last 2 yrs. Its possible it could work for the ILA too. Unfortunately, the current ILA leadership isn’t that bright & only cares about their “associates”, themselves & those directly related to them. I & other former K-Sea Transportation employees watched a dedicated Mate/Tankerman with no previous labor organizing experience wrestle their NY harbor marine division away from the ILA to start the RTBU. In my opinion, the mobbed up ILA let it go because the Local & retirement trust had been robbed blind, not a penny left. The only value left was the members & they didn’t care about that. Maybe if the ILA goes broke, the crooks will leave & it can become a real union of workers again?
The Maritime officers unions need to be negotiating a “me too clause” into the contracts for pay at least equal to the Longshoremen.
What would that clause say?
I’m not that guy. If angry rants are what it takes, they can have it.
It would say something like: when longshoremen get a 62% raise, so do maritime officers and ratings.
Disclaimer, Allsides, a media political bias site has The Daily Wire as a “right/conservative” media outlet with a rating of 5, 6 being far right. But I did find their analysis (cherry picking) about mafia ties & the ILA interesting reading because I like that kind of stuff. Especially the part about Andrew Gigante who was the Ginavesse Don’s son who spent time in prison for being his dad’s mouthpiece when the don was in prison. So no, I would not want a union president like Daggett. 1 mafia from a city on the east coast of Florida is enough for 1 industry. 2 mafias would be bad for business on board.
Interesting read. Much of this also has been reported in more reputable media.
We watched “On the Waterfront” on the tug the last day of the strike. Doesn’t seem we have made a ton of progress over the past 70 years.
I knew a New England business that imports through Norfolk and pays for extra trucking.
They stopped using NY because of being constantly shaken down to get containers released promptly, and outright theft of cargo.
I suspect that about 75% of ILA union leaders and 25% of the rank and file are probably criminals that should be in prison.
I will say that $39 an hour is a fair wage for the Longshoremen, and 62% raise over six years— 10% a year is also fair.
What’s not fair are all the scams that get them paid when they are not working, and the scams that put them on overtime so much of the time when they do actually work.
Nor is it fair to have 17 men for a 7 man job. Or to have five container moves in the port when it should have been two.
The typical longshoreman is worth about $75,000 a year in most places, and maybe $100,000 in New York. $200,000 a year is an obscene salary for these knuckle draggers.
I don’t know how much the rank and file longshoremen benefit from the shakedowns and theft. The mobbed up leadership, and the mob itself, probably gets most of that.
The sooner the better for Rotterdam and Singapore nearly full automation and a vastly reduced number of longshoremen.
ILU is only one union. Assuming the 18% number is correct, the assumption that that applies to all maritime unions is not warranted. Things have changed.
Some mariners undeniably got burned by unions with mob ties. But if an investor had got burned by Bernie Madoff or Enron was giving advice to hide your cash under a mattress it’d be, statically speaking, bad advice.
Likewise mariners taking the advice to avoid unions at all costs most likely would be, over a long career, leaving a lot of money on the table.
I was referring to the dockworkers specifically. I am not at all anti-labor. [And some things have not changed.] (Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor - Wikipedia)
John you’re 100% right!!! Has am I, just one asshole New Yorker can fix this mess.
I actually love the Job, but it’s not for me anymore with the stress and being away from home, more and more regs.MSC is fun but 10 months a sea a year not for me.
You actually make more money on Navy active duty compared to hours worked. Pension and VA benefits plus tax free overseas. Yeah I should have just went to ROTC.
My Grandfather old MMP pension is amazing, we don’t even have one any more.