Is it crazy for me to think you should avoid placing the ship in a drift-on situation, up-current of a reef?
“Beware the lee shoreline” is what we were always told.
Perhaps they were in some tight passage they couldn’t avoid? Just what comes to my mind, though.
Despite what its name may suggest, side scan sonar has limitations due to its slant range depending on depth perpendicular to the array and offers no information as to what is ahead of the towing vessel unless it also uses FLIR.
Of course, the grounding probably had nothing to do with any of the above.
The NZ defense minister cried during the press conference. Good lord almighty. The captain is being praised for “saving” the crew but there is no condemnation in NZ for losing the ship which represents 10% of that country’s navy.
This is the world we live in, where somebody’s DIE status protects them from the need to have professional responsibility.
Nice brief and interesting comments here fm Dr.Sal.
75 crew evacuated of vessel and all accounted for. The crew did a good job of the evacuation.
The Ministers tears, Who knows happy? Everyone survived. Or sad her budget is sunk. I’ll go with survival.
Thanking the Capt publicly. Well you dont chuck them under the bus until you know what happened. Politics.
Even so. Getting everyone off is worthy of thanks.
As to how they got there, I will wait for the report. or at least some actual information.
The new CNS Rear Admiral Golding was only promoted on 28 August 2024. He was a highly trained diving specialist completing advanced courses with the Royal Australian Navy and the Royal Navy. He was a previous Commanding Officer of HMNZS Manawanui. A bitter task to front up to the loss so early in the job. I
Would that be the wee man with the big gold tassel’s.
Not personal experience. Having been involved in the aftermath of a colossal F up. More than once.
I was talking to one of my most senior bosses. And the CEO.
A perfectly competent and capable woman. I disagreed with an argued with both of them about many things. I was in the midst of disagreeing with them about the way to deal with a safety concern.
I’ve never forgotten one of her comments.
" My worst nightmare is about being woken up again in the middle of the night and having to make the phone calls to families"
She had been the duty manager who had to do it.
We might have disagreed about direction but we had the same goal.
I expect the wee man in the background had a bad night.
It is an ill wind that blows to no one’s advantage. Lawyers are starting their clock and naval tailors are gearing up to replace uniforms lost in time for Courts of Enquiry.
RNZN divers report that VDR has been recovered - wait n see what comes out!
Video in link…
The causes of an accident are always multiple.
In my humble opinion, we can’t blame the crew for the accident until we know what caused it.
There were no casualties, which is already a good thing.
Pure speculation:
It seems to have happened at night, probably very close to the reef.
The ship is probably automated, maybe there’s no one in the engine room at night to stand watch, or an officer and an oiler perhaps, so close to the coast, to deal with any eventuality more quickly (the crew is quite large).
Was the ship in operation at the time, or on standby?
If it was an electrical blackout due to, for example, a crankcase explosion or the rupture of a fuel pipe from one of the diesel engines, and a localized fire was declared: Co2 triggered in the compartment, so no electrical power apart from the emergency generator?
“Propulsion and performance
The propulsion system on the hydrographic vessel integrates four diesel-electric generators, two azimuth propulsion systems and three bow thrusters.
Propulsion 4 Diesel-electric
Power 4 x 2570 hp
Draft of 6.8m
Restoring propulsion power may have been complicated in these conditions, in such a short space of time, even if the automatic system is there to restore it quickly, but sometimes there are hiccups, the drift may have been rapid because of the wind (Force?), this type of vessel drifts quite quickly because of its heavy dunnage.
The captain probably ordered the anchor to be dropped, but was it too late? Seabed holding? Not far enough from the reef, the swell could have been a handicap.
We’ll probably know more soon, once the media pressure has died down.
Pumping the fuel and oil will be a real challenge in this sensitive area. We don’t seem to know how much bunker and oil is on board.
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This vessel is the ex. Edda Fonn, blt. 2003.
She has diesel-electric propulsion. (4 x main generators, 2 x Azimuth thrusters)
DnV class: +1A1 SF, E0, DYNPOS AUTR, CLEAN COMF, HELDK.
Source: Edda Fonn (04/2003) | Maritimt Magasin
(In Norwegian, but translates quite well by G.T.)
From what I can ascertain the large crane was added later. I have read conflicting accounts of its capabilities.
It annoys me that when I read of a casualty some easily answered questions are withheld. What was the position of the rudder when MV Dali hit the bridge?
Now we have another one. Did HMNZS Manawanui lose power before striking the reef?
In one photo she has deck lights on during the abandonment stage so power had been restored.
Looking at the composition of the Court of Enquiry, the president and one Captain are surface warfare officers, an airforce Group Captain ( in US Airforce a colonel) and a Captain from Australia who is a Hydrographic Specialist.
She was DP 2 and as such should not have lost power . There are a number of DP qualificated Merchant Marine people both Masters and Chief Engineers in New Zealand I am not sure where the Navy gets their training from . They have only had the ship 5 years.
Original crane had a lifting capacity of 100 m.t. with heave compancation.
Doesn’t appear that the care was replaced at conversion in 2018-19:
PS> Notice: - Installation of new main engine.
Don’t know it that means she was no longer diesel-electric.
It maybe that she is no longer DP 2
Either that or they replace the diesel engines on one of the 4 main generators?
Appears that she retained the diesel electric configuration and retained DP2 class:
Latest update on the sinking:
