El Faro= new Jones act attack

One of the authors of this ridiculous article is Eftychis Gregos Mourginakis
Director at Day & Partners, LLC
Palm Beach, FloridaVenture Capital & Private Equit

He is also a founder of Conservative Future Project, cfproject.org.

Give him a call or email and let him know how out of touch he is and how ashamed he should be for publishing such BS.

eftychis@dayandpartners.com
561.515.6156

[QUOTE=s31;171737]One of the authors of this ridiculous article is Eftychis Gregos Mourginakis
Director at Day & Partners, LLC
Palm Beach, FloridaVenture Capital & Private Equit

He is also a founder of Conservative Future Project, cfproject.org.

Give him a call or email and let him know how out of touch he is and how ashamed he should be for publishing such BS.[/QUOTE]

do you know anyone now can BUY themselves a Greencard and Permanent Resident status now if they arrive on US shores with $500k in a suitcase?

Oh, tunnel thrusters(or any kind of drop down) in any significant fraction of the seas those folks experienced, would not produce anything in any quantity except foam. Really don’t expect much more from National Review. They definitely know where their bread is buttered.

[QUOTE=c.captain;171739]do you know anyone now can BUY themselves a Greencard and Permanent Resident status now if they arrive on US shores with $500k in a suitcase?[/QUOTE]

Ha, yea. Day & partners was founded by Randee E. Day which appears to be related to Eftychis Gregos Mourginakis. Check out her profile http://www.dayandpartners.com/who-we-are/

"…Prior to forming Day & Partners, Ms. Day served as interim CEO of DHT Holdings Inc., a publicly traded company listed on the NYSE and an owner/ operator of 20 crude oil tankers.

Prior to her role at DHT, Ms. Day served as Managing Director and Head of Maritime Investment Banking at the Seabury Group, a global advisory and investment banking firm specializing in the transportation sector. While at the Seabury Group, Ms. Day led a joint venture between OSG and Clipper on VLCC new buildings. OSG retained her team to evaluate a joint venture with Modic, Inc., on FPSO new-buildings. She led the creation of an alliance with Irving Capital (previously Bear Sterns Capital) to conduct private equity transactions in shipping and off-shore.

From 1985-2004 Ms. Day held the position of CEO of Day & Partners, Inc., a strategic advisory firm backed by UK investors. Day & Partners, Inc., specialized in complex debt restructuring within the maritime industry and also provided consulting services to banks, shipping clients, and private investors. Notable clients and transactions included: advising the Tisch family’s take-over bid of Gotaas Larsen (predecessor to Golar LNG), strategic planning on behalf of at the time the world’s first spa cruise ship sponsored by a consortium of private investors including the Doral family, and providing expert testimony on behalf of clients including the FDIC and Chubb Insurance."

Children of Randee E. Day and George Morganakis Grogos are:
Efythis Groros, b. May 27, 1990.

Ok I’ll bite…what’s your beef with Efythis this fella?

[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;171730]Cruise Ship =/= Cargo Ship[/QUOTE]

They are. The cargo just eats, drinks, fights, barfs, sues and clogs the toilets more than a bunch of containers.

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What’s a WAFI?

Wind
Assisted
Fucking
Idiot

BlowBoater

Yachtie

Organ Donor

Hazard to navigation most of the time.

we just call them googans.

Preferably when I recklessly slide a barge with pinpoint precision 10’ down their port side, intentionally. I like to think I cure a few every few days.

[QUOTE=c.captain;171732]please post your letter here for us unwashed to read…I want to see it[/QUOTE]

Not my greatest letter but nothing to ba ashamed of.

Dear Editor

I just read that article "Bad Regulations Can Kill..." by Eftychis John Gregos-Mourginakis & Joshua Jacobs.I can honestly say that it is the most ridiculous article I have read in a long time. Repealing that "Bad Regulation" would destroy the US flagged Merchant fleet, put thousands of shipyard workers out of work and undermine the security of our nation.

I suspect Eftychis (what the hell kind of name is that?) and Joshua are fine young men who may even think they are honestly doing good by decrying the Jones Act. But those two little pukes have no knowledge of the maritime field, except maybe what they picked up on Wikipedia. I suggest you have real writers look into serious topics like our cabotage laws before you commit the ideas of halfwits to print.

We have about 300 US-flagged merchant vessels each with about 30 shipboard personnel. We also have thousands of people working in offices supporting these ships. We have thousands of shipyard workers from Bath Iron Works to NASSCO. All of these jobs would be gone or put in serious jeopardy if the Jones Act were to be repealed.

Since before the US was even a country trade has been it's life's blood. Almost every piece of materiel and supplies needed to fight our wars has been borne on US-flagged merchant ships pressed into this service from their normal commercial operation when needed, or specially constructed for the job in US shipyards. These shipyards that you apparently want to destroy turned out thousands of cargo ships during the last world war. These ships carried the supplies that permitted the allies to win. In more recent times, reserve ships by the scores were activated to bring all the gear and supplies needed to fight in the middle east. Where do you think those seamen came from to man those ships? Without a peacetime merchant fleet, there would have been no pool of US seamen to draw from in our countries time of need.

From a security standpoint, would you rather have US citizens, vetted and credentialed by the US Coast Guard hauling millions of gallons of gasoline from one US port to another or some foreign national who can not be vetted by us? If we throw out the cabotage  laws for shipping, what's next? Oh US truck drivers are too expensive, let's have Mexican drivers hauling freight between US cities. Let's have Chinese airline pilots flying passengers from New York to Las Vegas in Russian built and maintained aircraft. It's a slippery slope we don't want to slide down.

Maybe you are just pandering and doing the dirty work for Sen McCain and his farmers that are always crying because their taxpayer subsidized crops have to shipped on expensive US flagged bulk ships when the US gives away food to starving nations, but what you are doing is wrong, and I had to let you know it.

If you feel the need to discuss this further you may email me. I am out of reach on a liquefied natural gas tanker at the moment.

Sincerely.
Capt. Phil O’Connell

I sent this To the writers and modified it some for the editors…

I read some of your articles. You intertwine facts, ideology, and political posturing into very good rhetorical appeal. Lucky for you your audience overlooks your* cunning and perhaps naive, cartoonish conclusions.

I’m mostly disturbed by your last piece about El Faro and the Jones act. I’m amazed that the editors let you say half of what you said, but then I remember where I’m reading this. Anyway, while you may have touched on some good facts concerning Jones act protectionism and some challenges operators face in the Jones act trade.

I am appalled by the way you point out for us how the Jones act caused the death of the crew.

Id like to point out one thing that seems most obvious to me as a vessel officer and crew member working in marine transportation, the number one question in this matter, is why did the captain choose to sail despite the risk of extreme weather conditions?* It’s not, why was he on that boat to begin with, it is why did the captain choose to sail that boat no matter how modernized or well equipped. The captain must have chosen to leave safe harbor. So, why? Have you considered the immense pressure exerted on the captain to shave off transit times and avoid downtime. The customer and operator are unrelenting. Maybe the captain of El Faro had a good plan, maybe he was over confident, but I think it is safe to say that he made the decision under some degree of duress, and if not, even if he was neglectful and misguided, then the decision to get underway with an approaching hurricane is the largest link in the error chain that ensued.

As for writers like you that peddle this kind of stuff for the powers that be or other special interests, I challenge you to enrich your understanding of the economic value of the Jones act as it relates to tens of thousands of American mariners still able to earn a decent living in this tough economy.

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;171744]Ok I’ll bite…what’s your beef with Efythis this fella?[/QUOTE]
I don’t really have a beef with the guy, but I have a problem with people who deliberately try to mislead, deceive, or otherwise lie to others to “manufacture consent” to garnish support for some economic or political aim. Especially when the economic and political gains do harm to those parties being misled.

In my view, Eftychis and his group of special interests are seeking to enrich themselves and a small minority of others at the great expense of many others and they are willing to decieve and propagate erroneous and or incomplete conclusions to accomplish this. They have created a think tank to come up with their ploys and they have used the reputation and perceived legitimacy of the National Review platform to give themselves a shroud of credibility.

The source matters, the context of media messages becomes clearer when the actual sources and motives are revealed.

Ofcourse its obvious that this article is special interest BS, but I like to put names and faces on it.

I am going to call this guy tomorrow and just talk with him about his views, anyone have any questions they want me to ask?

Then I’m going to call the national review and ask them about their relationship with the Conservative Future Project and Eftychis and ask them how such a biligerent rant was allowed to be published.

A ‘truthy’ explanation.

There’s a bit more to that and you know it. You just get done saying how you don’t like when people misrepresent the truth - then you go and do it yourself.

[QUOTE=DeckApe;171776]A ‘truthy’ explanation.

There’s a bit more to that and you know it. You just get done saying how you don’t like when people misrepresent the truth - then you go and do it yourself.[/QUOTE]

I am always open to being corrected if wrong so ask that you give me your more “truthy” explanation? My understanding is that a foreign national can apply for and receive Resident Alien status if they prove they have invested $500k into property or business in the US. Is this wrong?

[QUOTE=tugsailor;171673]I

Well, if Russian airlines were allowed to fly us from NY to Vegas, Im sure that the stewardesses and “cabin service” would be top notch.[/QUOTE]

Hehehe, Hey now!

[QUOTE=tugsailor;171688]El Faro should become a catalyst for new financing programs for the construction of new US flag ships.

Old ships should be subjected to much more vigorous and competent inspections, and become very expensive to keep in service.[/QUOTE]

Older ships are subject to more rigorous survey and gauging requirements than newer ones by Class. Types of vessels, notably tankers and bulkers even more so (Close Up Survey requirements that came into effect some 20 years ago). These were specifically brought about by the loss rates of tankers and bulkers. Should it be expanded to general cargo and container vessels? Don’t see a reason not to. Are there commercial pressures to fudge some surveys and gaugings? Possibly. . . I have seen first hand where a Surveyor for an IACS society (not ABS) fudged a LOT of things on a Special Survey because the original intent from the Owner was to scrap the vessel the following year. . . .instead, it was sold to be reclassed and converted to an FPSO. . . was I surprised to see concrete boxes on a ship that just completed Special? That would be yes. . . .

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[QUOTE=DogBreath;171729]Every cruise ship ever since 1990 for 200 please, Alex?[/QUOTE]

I guess “cargo” is a word lost on you. . .

[QUOTE=s31;171764]I don’t really have a beef with the guy, but I have a problem with people who deliberately try to mislead, deceive, or otherwise lie to others [/QUOTE]

This sort of thing always brings out the parasites, opportunists, and predators who see it as an opportunity to get their name in print, make connections with similar scumbags or just stir things up. Before the internet those folks lived in huts and scribbled with short pencils.

they’re EB-5 visas and are more complicated than showing up with cash. You’re being a hypocrite and not getting the facts straight like those you so despise posting only Half the story or a twisted version of the story

How hard is that? About the EB-5 Visa Classification | USCIS

Yes because EB-5 Visas are totally without controversy.

Just learned about this type of visa because of you and I’m 100% against it.

They’re very controversial but more complicated than just showing up with $500,000 in exchange for a green card. Jay peak in Vermont is a good example as well.