[QUOTE=cmjeff;31420]I wish John wasn’t at Sea right now because, having been fired after Transocean’s cover-up of there last major fire, QUOTE]
Deep Seas engine room fire which was hush hush?
[QUOTE=c.captain;31415]whatever Mr. 1 post…[/QUOTE]
That is true, because I haven’t ever felt the need to come here claiming I’m the Chief Mate on a brand new drillship … which I ain’t. But if I were, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t be making statements like that which entirely contradict themselves within the same paragraph.
Hey … now I have TWO posts, so you have to invent another sarcastic name for me.
see ya Captain Chief Mate
this just in from the AP
AP: Oil rig reported explosion 3 hours before fire
By JANET MCCONNAUGHEY (AP)
NEW ORLEANS — The Coast Guard says a crew member from an oil platform that sank off Louisiana reported an initial explosion three hours before the rig went up in flames in a second, larger explosion.
Coast Guard Senior Chief Petty Officer Mike O’Berry says the first blast was reported at 7 p.m. CDT Tuesday.
Later, the rig sent an emergency signal. O’Berry says a nearby rig at the same time reported the Deepwater Horizon was in flames.
He says the rig didn’t ask for help during the initial call. The Coast Guard sent help after the emergency signal came.
The Coast Guard is investigating what happened during that three hours.
and NY Times:
An oil rig burning out of control in the Gulf of Mexico sank Thursday morning, with 11 workers still missing and the authorities fearing a potential environmental disaster.
Efforts to contain the damage from the burning rig became profoundly more complicated when it sank, leaving a one-by-five-mile sheen of what the authorities said was “crude oil mix.”
“I think it certainly has the potential to be a major spill,” David Rainey, a vice president for Gulf of Mexico exploration for BP, which was leasing the rig, said at a news conference.
[QUOTE=c.captain;31403]I know it is early for post mortems but I believe this accident is going to become the PIPER ALPHA of the GoM. A complete and total game changer as far as deepwater drilling is concerned.
I also want to weigh in on the loss of the rig…I am appalled that the USCG allowed so many support vessels to flood the rig with so much water. The greatest effort should have been to keep the rig afloat and the fire buring to consume the hydrocarbons flowing from the well. Now we have no burned out rig to conduct an investigation aboard and worse, now black oil flowing from the well into the sea. Didn’t this same thing happen in Mexico many years ago which ended up with millions of barrels of oil flowing uncontrolled for months?
Ironically, I am just starting as chief mate on a brand new deepwater rated drillship at the moment and what a thing to happen in my first week? Oh well, now to see what the future over the horizon (no pun intended) brings…[/QUOTE]
I agree and this will change the way we operate in the gulf in the future.
fixin,
I work on the sister rig & you know how many folks come & go on a bif semi if you have friends & family who work out here. I know it sux, but TOI is just trying to be careful & make sure they don’t pass on bad info to the friends & families right now (even if it’s because they are afraind of being sued). We are not even getting much from the office yet about who was on. Best sources right now are the other TOI guys out here in MC as most of us with friends on the same hitch stay in touch via the computer while we’re out here. I do agree with you about the fact that the office SHOULD have at least contacted the families of the guys who were on the way into Fourchon on the Chouest boats to let them know thier loved ones were safe. Only way I found out some friends were ok was because one of the ECO guys was nice enough to let all they guys on their supply boat use the internet while they were on the way into Fourchon, so I called their families to let them know their people were out of harms way & would be contacting them soon. Seems to me that if we could do it from out here 20ish miles from DWH our office could have figured out how to do the same thing.
If you think we had lots of inspections & surveys before just wait.
However, regarding your remark about keeping the fire burning to consume the hydrocarbons flowing from the well: I am guessing you have a marint background rather than the drilling side. Well control procedures are a bit different regarding blowout control than the what you are used to from shipboard firefighting. We have a well control group on an ROV boat right now waiting to try & get close enough to go down so they can hot stab the stack & try to get the well shut in. However, they can’t do that until they can get the boat close enough, without undue danger, to get close enough to make sure the ROV’s cage tether will allow them access to the wellhead.
[QUOTE=Corky;31430]If you think we had lots of inspections & surveys before just wait.
However, regarding your remark about keeping the fire burning to consume the hydrocarbons flowing from the well: I am guessing you have a marint background rather than the drilling side. Well control procedures are a bit different regarding blowout control than the what you are used to from shipboard firefighting. We have a well control group on an ROV boat right now waiting to try & get close enough to go down so they can hot stab the stack & try to get the well shut in. However, they can’t do that until they can get the boat close enough, without undue danger, to get close enough to make sure the ROV’s cage tether will allow them access to the wellhead.[/QUOTE]
I take it that hot tapping is well above any beyond the technical capabilities of AUV’s at this point in history?
Bit early to be chasing the money isn’t it. Those of us who work on rigs know that, no matter how many rules & regulations we follow, or how many training courses & drills we go through, when things go wrong in well control situations. . . . . they go catastrophically wrong. Why don’t you let us and our friend’s families greive for a while & let the inspections & reviews decide where the fault lies before you start chasing your 30%.
Just my opinion.
[QUOTE=TxKingfisher;31431]I take it that hot tapping is well above any beyond the technical capabilities of AUV’s at this point in history?[/QUOTE]
You would be correct.
[QUOTE=Corky;31433]Bit early to be chasing the money isn’t it. Those of us who work on rigs know that, no matter how many rules & regulations we follow, or how many training courses & drills we go through, when things go wrong in well control situations. . . . . they go catastrophically wrong. Why don’t you let us and our friend’s families greive for a while & let the inspections & reviews decide where the fault lies before you start chasing your 30%.
Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I’m pretty sure the first law suit was filed by a relative of one of the missing already. That means they would have had to contact the lawyer prior to know if they were accounted for or not. Sounds like pure greed to me.
[QUOTE=Corky;31429]fixin,
… Seems to me that if we could do it from out here 20ish miles from DWH our office could have figured out how to do the same thing.[/QUOTE]
that’s my point. . . at some point all they needed was someone at the home office calling the next of kin for those who were confirmed safe on the boat that they were safe. No big details, just they are safe and headed to land. . . more details to come. It is not like all of the wives were in the same house together. . .
May God embrace each and everyone of the men missing, along with their loved ones. Please report if there is any data missing or incorrect. These names are being reported online and through others on this support site.
- Karl Kleppinger Jr. of Natchez, MS
- Donald Clark, Newellton, LA
- Shane Roshto of Amite, MS
- Roy Wyatt Kemp age 27 (family is in Monterey, La)
- Dewey Revette age 48 of Stateline, MS
- Stephen Curtis, Georgetown, LA
- Ron Pennington, Pike County, MS
- Aaron “Dale” Burkeen age 37 from Philadelphia, MS
- Adam Wiese of Yorktown, Texas
From a crewmember of MI, The 2 MI people missing are:
- Gordon James (Gordon has a 2 year old and his wife is 8 months pregnant)
- Blair Manuel from Eunice, LA
11 Total Names - Please let me know if there is someone missing or if I was given an incorrect name. Thank you
[QUOTE=Corky;31433]Bit early to be chasing the money isn’t it. Those of us who work on rigs know that, no matter how many rules & regulations we follow, or how many training courses & drills we go through, when things go wrong in well control situations. . . . . they go catastrophically wrong. Why don’t you let us and our friend’s families greive for a while & let the inspections & reviews decide where the fault lies before you start chasing your 30%.
Just my opinion.[/QUOTE] Did you catch the other DWH thread where Jones Act is already incinuating a coverup by Transocean… I’m biting my tongue on the subject, but I’m disappointed by these developments (The ambulance chasing and the lawsuits before ANYTHING is known about the incident) so early in the game.
Actually some ARE set up so they can. The Developmental Driller rigs are set up with anchor winches, usually just a couple are used to set subsea architecture, but they are there. . . . or at least they were when I felw off the rig yesterday morning.
Thank you Fixin for posting. I had already received a partial list. A few of the guys I didn’t know but I worked with 5 of them through my time on the Enterprise and the Horizon. My heart is broken for their families. The ones I knew were great guys, hard workers.
MODUke,
I agree, the term exploration is often misused/understood. There are several aspects to “exploration” of a field which often continue for years while the oil company decides if a find will be profitable enough to produce. BP does both exploration (using drilling contractors like TOI) & production. From what I was told by a geologist who has been working the project there in the very recent past, the DWH was involved in doing exploration work to determine the extent of the reserves in the Tiber prospect. They know the oil is there but efficiently producing from a field requires a heck of a lot more than drilling one or two wells. Usually numerous wells are drilled at various locations/ depths & different Gamma angles all of which are used to confirm what the geologists think the seismic data is saying . . . This is especially true when it is a very large find with extensive variations in geological morpholgy the Tiber prospect or the Mad Dog field.
Camaro5,
GC 743 on the Atlantis project for BP.
I think the best thing that can happen at this point, moving forward, is that Transocean coordinates with the authorities to expedite issue of any lost credentials, family counseling, and general well being of their employees. There is a lot to do to bring back some sort of normalcy. Most will have to be placed somewhere in the coming months - within the fleet - in time. Not much will ever go right during an emergency such as this - specifically information and communications, but we will see how this is handled. I’m sure that Transocean will do good by their employees.
"NEW ORLEANS — The Coast Guard says a crew member from an oil platform that sank off Louisiana reported an initial explosion three hours before the rig went up in flames in a second, larger explosion.
Coast Guard Senior Chief Petty Officer Mike O’Berry says the first blast was reported at 7 p.m. CDT Tuesday.
Later, the rig sent an emergency signal. O’Berry says a nearby rig at the same time reported the Deepwater Horizon was in flames.
He says the rig didn’t ask for help during the initial call. The Coast Guard sent help after the emergency signal came.
The Coast Guard is investigating what happened during that three hours. "
Hmmmm, that’s VERY interesting. First mention I have heard of that. All the previous stuff was talking about how things happened with no warning & all. This info makes much more sense, but it makes me wonder why the rig seperintendent would have been sitting in the galley as someone mentioned in one of the posts on this thread if the rig had been fighting a well control issue for three hours. Usually you have to throw folks out of the driller’s shack when you have taken a kick because EVERYONE shows up to try & help.
Thanks for posting that info C Captain, really helps things start to make a bit of sense.
[FONT=Tahoma]Considering the fact that John was not onboard the “Deep Seas”<ST1:p</ST1:p at the time of the Engine Room fire which was not hush hush… There was another issue that was blown out of proportion and I believe if the parties involved were not at odds with each other then there would have been a different outcome. Sorry to burst your bubble but that is the truth… I hope your doing well John keep smiling!!!
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