[QUOTE=captmarcus;60945]What are you referring to on google earth/maps satellite? Does this service now offer images from given times, whereby you can actually view images of the ship as it transited the area?[/QUOTE]
No, it just shows the location in superb detail. Cross reference the published photographs with the published track information and the location of the wreck and let me know if you think they are consistent.
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Gemitrafik and MTâs tracks are broadly consistent with each other. Theyâre not consistent with what the media is saying the captain is claiming, but thatâs another matter.
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Youâre right, there are some inconsistencies. Media reports are saying that the Concordia hit north of the port (attachment a). The Gemitrafik is showing south attachment B (and may not be correct). [MT is showing closer](http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?oldmmsi=247158500&zoom=10&olddate=1/13/2012 9:02:00 PM) to Attachment A but a few hundred yards offshore. Google satellite view.
Looking at photos and google satellite, it looks like MT did not get an update after the vessel turned back towards land as reports indicate. But seriously, how the heck is she listing to the opposite side of the massive hole? Makes you wonder what the other side looks like.
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PS I donât know why the attachments are so small but they can be viewed at http://gcaptain.com/cruise-ship-costa-concordia-sinks/?37456
AIS video of Costa Concordia grounding is available. As you know that all ships have AIS transponders their coordinates on regular intervals.
weâll have all our questions answered as soon as we see that data from the VDRâŚ
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[QUOTE=Steamer;60944]The track shown on that picture is nowhere near the location of the wreck, or the rocks south of the port of Giglio. Nor does it show a course reversal that would explain why the wreck is lying on a southeasterly heading.[/QUOTE]
I think youâre misinterpreting a lack of data in the MT plot for usable data. MT has very poor coverage in that part of the Med. Itâs both conceivable and likely that MT didnât receive every AIS update the Concordia broadcast. MT naively draws straight lines between fixes. If MT doesnât receive frequent updates when a ship is maneuvering, then the MT course plot between fixes will be essentially fictional.
The only thing you need to do to make the MT and Gemi tracks roughly consistent is assume that MT missed one updateâthat Gemi receivedâfixing the Concordia near or in between the Le Scole rocks. Add a fix there and thereâs no conflict.
As far as the end of the MT course track, that looks like the point at which MT stopped receiving updates due to poor coverage rather than the point where the Concordia came to rest near the harbor.
MT is very accurate for the fixes it does receive, but it doesnât pick up enough fixes to be considered reliable. Itâs the truth, but itâs not the whole truth.
As I see it, both the Gemi and MT tracks support your version of events. Itâs just that the Gemi and MT tracks show parts of the storyâall congruent with your perspectiveârather than the whole story in its entirety.
Why would you be that close to the coast at night with 4200 people dining? Pretty easy really, romantic views. Picturesque island off to port, why not stroll around deck to see the lights before your night cap. That is after all their job, isnât it? Add to that theyâve probably done it 100 times, compliments to the captain from the passengers and the bravado cuts in. So much high tech kit leads to over confidence, closer and closer to shore for better views and then finally threading the eye of the needle. Their kit showed it was possible, soâŚ
What the Captain forgot is the basic rule of all navigation, safety first, donât take unnecessary risks! The Captain must be entirely responsible. When the margins are that close a small error, technical or physical explains everythingâŚ
It seems to be an occupational hazard for bus drivers.
Follow this link to the AMHS ferry LeConte grounding. http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/fulltext/MAB0502.htm
âWomen and children firstâŚâ
Well, thatâs the way it was on the Titanic. But then folks realized that panic could be induced by separating families. Similar revelation was that there must be a lifeboat spot for everyone on board.
Who goes in first: the healthy person or the invalid?
Answer:⌠the healthy person. People are to be moved to the ends of the boat first. You donât want people being forced to climb over a weakened or disabled person. The person who needs more assistance should be among the last persons boarded.
Costa Concordia crewmembers were shouting âwomen and children firstâ when it came time to board the lifeboats (which probably held 150 people). I wonder what went on in their crowd and crisis management course.
Passenger vessel masters making major diversions from an intended track to show passengers a special view is far from unheard of vis:
On Oct. 2, 1983, Captain Billy Fittro made an unauthorized swing into Grindstone Harbor to give an Orcas Island resident a waterside view of her home from the Elwhaâs wheelhouse. During the excursion, the Elwha hit a reef, ran aground and was damaged at a total of $250,000. Captain Fittro eventually resigned and his supervisor, Captain Nick Tracy, was fired for trying to cover up the incident. In 1989 the reef the vessel hit was officially named âElwha Rockâ.
[QUOTE=Barcelona Skipper;60953]Why would you be that close to the coast at night with 4200 people dining? Pretty easy really, romantic views. Picturesque island off to port, why not stroll around deck to see the lights before your night cap. That is after all their job, isnât it? Add to that theyâve probably done it 100 times, compliments to the captain from the passengers and the bravado cuts in. So much high tech kit leads to over confidence, closer and closer to shore for better views and then finally threading the eye of the needle. Their kit showed it was possible, soâŚ
What the Captain forgot is the basic rule of all navigation, safety first, donât take unnecessary risks! The Captain must be entirely responsible. When the margins are that close a small error, technical or physical explains everythingâŚ[/QUOTE]
Looks like you covered all the bases, Barcelona Skipper. It sure wasnât an uncharted âsandbarâ they hit, and anchors were not dropped - so - mistakes were made. The Captain putting out false information will only add to the list of mistakes. Sad !!
[QUOTE=PMC;60958] I wonder what went on in their crowd and crisis management course.[/QUOTE]
Precisely what was described in IMO Model Course 1.28. Nothing more, nothing less. Class dismissed, pick up your certificate by the door on the way out.
[QUOTE=c.captain;60959]Passenger vessel masters making major diversions from an intended track to show passengers a special view is far from unheard of vis:[/QUOTE]
Shoot, Iâd call it âFittro Laysâ
And these âofficersâ were all STCW certified. What a sham STCW and the IMO are. Pray for those killed.
From the AIS positions and other sources. It Appears that they tried to make a pass by the Island of Giglio by transiting the narrow passage through the Le Scole reef and rocks.
Using the link below it appears that they tried to put the thread through the eye of the needle.
Quoting:
âAccording to Gemitrafik source,with shipâs AIS Vessel Traffic records released by Turkish Maritime News web , Le Scole place,
hypothesis of the geolocalization when the ship hits a submerged rock on her port side
NR : more probably on the right side of the Eastern rock
(vessel beam : 38 m / draught : 8.2 m
and passage between the two rocks width : 55 m / depth : 10.3 m)â
Photo of the Le Scole reef. http://www.sailreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/isola-del-giglio_13.jpg
In the upper left portion of the photo. Hypothesis described above would indicate a path through the rocks toward the lower left corner of the photo. Reports from media are that the Shipâs Crew tried to make a U-Turn back toward the Port of Giglio for life safety reasons. Hence the bow of the ship pointing at the reg and green lighthouses.
The bow of the ship is too far underwater to determine whether or not the anchors were released.
Can someone enlighten me as to how 4,200 souls are to egress in 26 lifeboats. The math escapes me.
Well crafted post, lfgd521rc, take a look at post #27 by Barcelona Skipper, I feel the Skipper nailed it. The more I thought about it the more convincing are the remarks of such a reckless disregard for the safety of the ship, passengers, and crew was played out time and time again. This time the snake struck.
[QUOTE=c.captain;60959]Passenger vessel masters making major diversions from an intended track to show passengers a special view is far from unheard of vis:[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with c.captain here. I spent much of the last several months anchored outside of Rio de Janeiro. I canât tell you how many times I watched cruise ships come up the coast from the west and cruise along the beaches at Copacabana and Ipanema to âshow the sights.â I watched one closely one night and, by my radar, he was less than 1/4 mile off the coast, and if they had a power failure or something happen while they were in that position, they were headed bow into a big rock island. Not to mention the cruise ships that blew through the outer anchorage at 19+ knots, crossing my bow at 3/10. And there werenât even any good looking women outside!
Iâm really interested to see what comes out when the VDR getâs replayed. I canât imagine that the voyage plan of the ship has them threading the needle through those rocks (at least on that one chart). If it does, well then, by all means, throw the old man in jail. Iâm not surprised that there was utter chaos and the crew had no idea what was going on and no idea what to do when it was finally time to do something. Has anybody been on a cruise? They donât have any idea whatâs going on - the boat drills are an absolute joke, half the people meet in a bar or restaurant as their âboat station.â I will say that the oneâs Iâve been on the drill is done either before departure or shortly after - I read somewhere that this ship did them every 15 days? I canât imagine why they would have their policy set that way, but then again, maybe thatâs not the policy?
Too many questions, not enough answers, and it will be a while before anything TRUE comes to light. Of course Carnival THREW the Captain under the bus today, but who didnât see that one coming?
Can someone enlighten me as to how 4,200 souls are to egress in 26 lifeboats. The math escapes me.[/QUOTE]
SOLAS only requires passenger ships to accommodate 75% of total POB in lifeboats, with the remaining 25% in davit launched inflatable liferafts.
[QUOTE=c.captain;60959]Passenger vessel masters making major diversions from an intended track to show passengers a special view is far from unheard of vis:[/QUOTE]
This may be true but I think the Master got a little too close to the rocks.
[QUOTE=New3M;60974]Iâm really interested to see what comes out when the VDR getâs replayed. I canât imagine that the voyage plan of the ship has them threading the needle through those rocks (at least on that one chart). If it does, well then, by all means, throw the old man in jail. Iâm not surprised that there was utter chaos and the crew had no idea what was going on and no idea what to do when it was finally time to do something. Has anybody been on a cruise? They donât have any idea whatâs going on - the boat drills are an absolute joke, half the people meet in a bar or restaurant as their âboat station.â I will say that the oneâs Iâve been on the drill is done either before departure or shortly after - I read somewhere that this ship did them every 15 days? I canât imagine why they would have their policy set that way, but then again, maybe thatâs not the policy?
Too many questions, not enough answers, and it will be a while before anything TRUE comes to light. Of course Carnival through the Captain under the bus today, but who didnât see that one coming?[/QUOTE]
Actually, the truth is now known. It will be sealed as jurisprudence takes its timely course.
Are you posting that such ships on such mission are such a joke that no rules apply?
I watched tonightâs news, the Captain seemed far from remorseful.
Mistakes were made.
