COLREGS Not Under Command

Oh, yes I am. I’ve been becalmed in an entire fleet of sailing ships starting a race across the Atlantic. Of the 150 vessels, take a guess as to how many NUC signals there were. Older, crustier, saltier masters of huge square riggers abounded. Not a one declared NUC. Take your next shot, Beer boy.

No, I’m not. Which rule requires a sailing vessel to motor?

I’ve said often, no vessel has the right to hit any other vessel. It seems here that all you smarty-pants captains would be the ones

No. Utter tripe. They are rules for “preventing collisions at sea”, not spreading the blame around when there are collisions.

Really? I’m not reading Rule 2 when some idiot is ramming me. I’m doing whatever I can. How many rules has the ramming vessel broken to get to a point of extremis?

And so I switch on my magic NUC lights and an invisible force field magically shields my vessel. Is that your argument? It seems to be the argument on this thread. NUC allows me to stay stopped, but sailing doesn’t apparently. Are you the idiot ramming me?

A minor point, but if we’re talking about the case of the Sjøbris then the '48 COLREGS would be the ones in play, and those lack some of the definitions provided in the '72 rules.

Some commentary on them includes this claim:

“The present Rules (1889) contain an Article (4) which deals with “A vessel which from any accident is not under command. . . .” The 1948 Rule is the same as the 1889 Article except the words, “from any accident,” which are deleted. It is clear that the scope of the 1948 Rule has been increased. A sailing vessel, in irons or in a calm, a steam vessel, whose steam pressure has dropped to the vanishing point, are now required to comply with this Rule (4) and show two red lights by night and two black balls or shapes, by day.”

In a WWI case, the cruiser HMS Drake lost her steering as the result of a torpedo hit, and had to make do with using the engines as in the example Jughead related. She was displaying NUC signals and collided with a merchant ship; the court ruled this was sufficient case for NUC. (The Elder Brethren advising the court were split on the matter.)

“If a vessel is in such a condition owing to an accident that she can only get out of the way of another after great and unusual delay, I think she must be considered as “not under command.” [Viscount Finlay]

A glance at Cockcroft reveals that the question of weather was considered at the '72 conference, with the opinion being that it could result in a “not under command” situation, but only in the most severe cases such as a vessel becalmed. Farwell’s also suggests similar. However, I’m reminded of a bit from a paper on the capabilities of sailing warships:

Even without the help of currents and tides, canvas or anchors, a ship could still move. Francis Liardet, a captain with thirty-three years experience in the Royal Navy and the author of the highly detailed Professional Recollections on Points of Seamanship ( 1849), was quite certain that the action of the swell and the “formation of a ships bottom” caused a ship to forge ahead even in a total calm - a fact so common, he claims, that “every seaman knows.” He goes on to recommend that ships dismasted in fleet action should keep their heads towards each other, thus preventing separation. White, in his Naval Researches (1830) agreed and goes as far as to claim that the only way of actually stopping a ship was to place another directly in its course.

My own take is that being becalmed without a working engine does count as NUC, even if smaller boats aren’t required to carry the appropriate lights or shapes to signal such. That a becalming may be more common than other events doesn’t alter the fact that one’s not able to move as might be required, and that the situation isn’t resolvable by choice. The case of applying the steering and sailing rules to a vessel that’s “stopped” is particularly problematic, but one should not assume it means one can’t be the give-way vessel, or otherwise required to keep clear.

Rule 2 - from Farwell’s:

The same line of reasoning that presumes it bad seamanship to hit a vessel that is moored or at anchor applies when a collision occurs between a vessel with way upon her and one that is lying dead in the water.

There are a some cases cited, this was is a ship stopped in the Delaware River:

The obligation on the part of free vessels to avoid risk of collision with those incumbered, or at rest, is imperative…

Another case, a ship stopped waiting for a pilot:

In was in any event the duty of Sestriere, as a matter of good seamanship in the special circumstances of the case… to take timely action to keep clear of the Alonso who arrived on the scene first…

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I can assure you that no master of a large sailing vessel considers being becalmed as NUC regardless of the state of the engine. This whole concept of a sailing vessel being required by some, as yet unspecified rule, to instantly become a power driven vessel in order to comply with the rules is beyond ridiculous. Stop it now.

Please, please, please, define the rule requirement to move and the other vessel’s requirement to stand on into a certain collision. Forget any old sailing warship ways of moving a becalmed ship although I agree a good start is to point your ship where you want to go.

Stopped is generally safe. The rules say so. Steering and sailing rules apply to the other vessel, who being a seaman, understands a becalmed sailing vessel isn’t going to move anywhere quickly. So can we stop inventing improbable circumstances that put the onus on a vessel obviously unable to move. This whole argument is getting beyond silly.

Even KC seems to agree. Do you KC? You never actually say so.

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There is a flag code for I have stopped sailing, never knew that till Indonesia wants you to fly the code when clearing in.

What’s the question?

Really?

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I also disagree that a becalmed sailing vessel is not obliged to move (presumably by another means) to comply with the rules (presumably to keep clear of an approaching vessel).

And that NUC is inappropriate for a becalmed sailing vessel regardless of engine readiness.

And that a becalmed sailing vessels isn’t obliged to become a power driven vessel to comply with the rules.

Do tell. What would justify standing on to certain collision?

I would have just called this situation " A vessel under sail" and gets the protection of rule 18

a becalmed sailing vessel is a sailing vessel, it is not NUC - it has the protections and responsibilities that the rules allow vessels under sail

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the becalmed sailing vessel gets the protections of rule 18 - the motor vessel is the give way vessel, the sailboat is only the give way for vessels that actually are NUC, Restricted in Maneuverability, fishing vessels and depending on the wind direction ( or lack of it) other sailboats.

and nothing here absolves anyone once it gets to the where the actions of the give way vessel are not enough.

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Unless those vessels are overtaking the sailing vessel?

I think I’ve been consistent in suggesting it should never get to that stage as simple ‘ordinary practice of seamen’ would be for any vessel approaching a becalmed sailing vessel to just go around her, not through.

correct -

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agree - but the rules are also there for the way too common times when good seamanship isn’t around

And more to the point it is always just fun to have esoteric rules discussions !!

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From Farwells:

Rule 3 The term “vessel not under command” means a vessel which through some exceptional circumstance is unable to maneuver as required by these Rules and is there- fore unable to keep out of the way of another vessel.

Three points can be taken from Rule 3(f). First, the definition of a vessel not under command (NUC) is not limited to power-driven vessels (as is the term “vessel constrained by her drat”). Second, he vessel must be “unable” to maneuver. Mere inconvenience or difficulty is insufficient, as is the too-common practice of vessels claiming the status while merely shut down and drifting." Third, the cause of the vessel’s inability to maneuver must be due to an “exceptional” circumstance. This should not be confused with the “special” circumstances in Rule 2. The NUC rule typically applies to vessels that have suffered steering or propulsion casualties that render the vessel unable to maintain steerageway. It may also include a vessel with an anchor down, but dragging, or a sailing vessel becalmed and without an alternative means of propulsion. Not- withstanding the well-known mnemonic, “Red over red, the captain’s dead,” an inadequate crew generally does not qualify as an exceptional circumstance that renders the vessel not under command. The focus is on the ability of the vessel to maneuver, not the condition of her master and crew. Only vessels that are under way can be “not under command”; a vessel that is actually at anchor or aground cannot qualify.“” Note, however, that a vessel NUC extinguishes her sidelight and stern light when not making way. It is not necessary that the vessel be completely disabled to qualify as not under command. Mariners must also keep in mind that conditions rendering the vessel NUC will almost certainly prompt a marine casualty report to the U.S.Coast Guard captain of the port or similar authority."

Okay. Sailing vessel - If there is no wind, is it able, or is it unable to maneuver as required by the rules? If it is unable we are half way to meeting the Rule 3 definition.

Assuming we are not under Rules 9 and 10, We’d need to consider what is exceptional. I can not control the wind, I can not make more wind on my own, so if the one thing designed to make my boat go in a desired direction stops working, I would consider that exceptional - leaving me unable to maneuver. therefore, NUC.

But to your credit, of the two COLREGS specific AI’s I’ve trained and refined, one of them does almost agree with you, citing that a lack of wind is a common and foreseeable condition, but the sailing vessel would still be required to maneuver IAW the rules. I guess arguing, that it’s not exceptional, and you should have a way to maneuver if the wind stops, as prudent seamanship would dictate.

Chat GPT 4.0's assessment

A becalmed sailing vessel is not considered to be under an “exceptional circumstance” and therefore does not qualify as a “vessel not under command” (NUC) under the COLREGS.

According to the definition of a vessel not under command (NUC) in Rule 3(f) of the COLREGS, a vessel is only considered NUC if it is “unable to maneuver as required by these Rules and is therefore unable to keep out of the way of another vessel” due to some exceptional circumstance​.

A sailing vessel that is becalmed is not suffering from an exceptional circumstance—rather, it is experiencing a common and foreseeable condition inherent to its mode of propulsion (lack of wind). As such, a becalmed sailing vessel must still comply with the Rules of the Road, particularly those concerning right-of-way, maneuvering, and keeping clear of other vessels.

If the vessel has auxiliary propulsion (such as an engine), it is expected to use it to maneuver. If no auxiliary power is available, it remains subject to the same obligations as any other sailing vessel.

Claude 3.7 Sonnet's take

Yes, a sailing vessel being becalmed would certainly qualify as an “exceptional circumstance” under the Rules of the Road.

When a sailing vessel is becalmed (has no wind to propel it), it loses its ability to maneuver as required by the rules. Since the vessel cannot generate propulsion through its sails and has no control over its movement, it meets the definition of a “vessel not under command” according to Rule 3(f).

The definition in Rule 3(f) states: “The term ‘vessel not under command’ means a vessel which through some exceptional circumstance is unable to maneuver as required by these Rules and is therefore unable to keep out of the way of another vessel.”

A becalmed sailing vessel fits this definition perfectly - the lack of wind is an exceptional circumstance beyond the vessel’s control that prevents it from maneuvering as required. This is distinct from a vessel that’s simply restricted in ability to maneuver, as the sailing vessel isn’t engaged in a particular operation that limits its maneuverability - it has lost maneuverability entirely due to environmental conditions.

If the sailing vessel has an engine but chooses not to use it, then it would not qualify as not under command - the exceptional circumstance must render the vessel unable to maneuver, not unwilling.

I mean, as per the rules, if you’re not showing the proper lights and shapes per your condition, you are partially at fault. It’s not a force field, and no one is exonerated for following the rules into a collision as per Rule 2, But you will be found partially at fault. Personally, if I was floating and couldn’t do a damn thing about it, it would do everything in my power to warn approaching vessels of my condition.

I could not agree with you more, this exam is some serious BS, and I regularly have to protest a lot of questions.

There are a lot of vessels under rule 18 that are privileged over a sailing vessel, and this assumption would be unsafe. Mostly, a fishing vessel. Not that they pay attention to COLREGS in practice, but if you are unable to get out of the way, and the fishing vessel is expecting you to maneuver as a sailing vessel would, this is where it would be safer to be NUC. Similarly if a tug towing a barge came upon you, I would be nice to know if you are unable to maneuver or not.

I think you are overcomplicating it.

What rule requires a stopped vessel to manoeuvre. This is my point. You seem obsessed with altering the situation the becalmed sailing vessel is in. It’s normal. Perfectly routine. Nobody stresses about collisions just because the ship is becalmed. Other ships can go around very easily in the ordinary practice of seamen. No becalmed captain normally considers NUC.

Rule 2 applies because the becalmed vessel is a special circumstance of the case which must be taken into account by a vessel hell bent on standing on.

I’ve never claimed otherwise. My piece about turning on NUC lights for the magic effect was tongue-in-cheek to those here who seem to think we should go NUC and everyone else magically avoids us when they wouldn’t otherwise without.

The argument is whether NUC is the right signal or not. I say not for a sailing vessel becalmed. It shouldn’t be required to do any manoeuvring. Would this apply to a sailing vessel sailing at 0.3kts? 0.2? Just go around.

This use of AI is a first for me. I can get all I need from the rules, but it’s an interesting addition - and if they agree with me, that’s good but do they agree with each other.

And in closing, another rhyme.

Here lies the body of Thomas Grey,
Who died defending his right of way.
He was perfectly right as he sped along,
But he’s just as dead as if he’d been wrong".

Under Rule 18, a vessel that meets the Rule 3 definition of underway, shall keep out of the way, as outlined in the rules. Making way is not a qualifier anywhere in the rules, except for showing lights ins come cases.

Rule 3 (i): The word “underway” means that a vessel is not at anchor, or made fast to the shore, or aground.

Rule 18:

Except where Rule 9, Rule 10, and Rule 13 otherwise require:

(a) A power-driven vessel underway shall keep out of the way of:
(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre;
(iii) a vessel engaged in fishing;
(iv) a sailing vessel.

(b) A sailing vessel underway shall keep out of the way of:
(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre;
(iii) a vessel engaged in fishing.

(c) A vessel engaged in fishing when underway shall, so far as possible, keep out of the way of:
(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre.

(d)
(i) Any vessel other than a vessel not under command or a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, avoid impeding the safe passage of a vessel constrained by her draught, exhibiting the signals in Rule 28.
(ii) A vessel constrained by her draught shall navigate with particular caution having full regard to her special condition.

(e) A seaplane on the water shall, in general, keep well clear of all vessels and avoid impeding their navigation. In circumstances, however, where risk of collision exists, she shall comply with the Rules of this part.

(f)
(i) A WIG craft, when taking off, landing and in flight near the surface, shall keep well clear of all other vessels and avoid impeding their navigation;
(ii) A WIG craft operating on the water surface shall comply with the Rules of this Part as a power-driven vessel.

The AI that agrees with you still says you have to maneuver in accordance with the rules.

agree with all - also love having the opportunity to agree with you!!

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