Crowley ATBs(SIU) I believe make more than Crowley tankers(AMO)
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Ok yeah ATBs are slightly higher until CM or 2AE.
12 hour days with OT inclusion? I don’t see any OT rates
Yeah that doesn’t look too hot to me. I’m not going to post it but the APL contract I voted on this week makes this look like indentured servitude. I’ve never made less than 27/30 vacation on an MM&P contract as well. 23/30 for your senior officers is wack
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$491 a day for a new graduate doesn’t seem like low pay to me. If other unions are paying that much better that’s impressive.
They are. With a pension to boot
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They are. With a pension to boot.
HIYOOOOO!!
The SIU inland contract pension is based on 7300 days, you draw 40% of the best 5 year average of your last 10 years base pay. 2% more for each year over your 7300.
I honestly wasn’t trying to be shitty about it to @Capt_Phoenix. He is technically correct that for a kid right out of school to be able to make that kind of money would be great. It’s just that the shine would wear off in a few years and a comparable young officer that put the time in with one of the other officers union would soon be vested, making much more with overtime, and significantly more in vacation pay.
I’ve never seen pay charts from the other officer unions. I know what many SIU officer contracts pay and what AMO pays on Crowley tankers and ConRos but that’s it.
BTW, the original discussion was SIU officers vs AMO.
Do you mind if I ask if that is 7300 days at sea? I believe the offshore unlicensed only get counted for days at sea only. If so, that is 40 years working 6 months of the year, or 30 years working for 9 months of the year.
It sounds like it is probably a better split than the offshore guys, but that is a whole lot of sea time to get an opportunity to put your feet up.
Dear God! That’s way better than when I left OSI/AMO. Is that on par with other AMO contracts?
If OSI kept at the 3% a year cost of living increases they were doing under their sweetheart contract when I left, that contract would still be just $179/day base and 11/30 for 3rds. 
I believe so. I heard on here a year or so ago that AMO renegotiated all their sweetheart contracts to bring them up to par.
Those tanker contracts are slightly higher than the ConRo ships though.
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Not normally. Many inland contracts pay into the retirement fund at 2:1, though now it’s capped at 360 days per calendar year worked. I know guys that used to work ~300 days a year and earn 2:1 retirement credit so they were getting 600 days towards their retirement each year.
Also note, those wages are from 2017.
The SIU Inland div covers seagoing tugs, ATBs, harbor tugs and dredges. The first company I sailed for 17 years, we were set up to work 28/28 mostly coastwise some foreign. We negotiated 2 for 1 on the pension contributions for 6 months sailing, 12 months credit toward the 7300. In my case, I sailed generally 28/28 but was called in regularly for overhauls and shipyard repairs. I averaged 425 days credit per year. The last 7 years I was in a new build program. Was supposed to be 28/28 but averaged 510 days credit per year. I retired at 56 just as the 365 cap was being phased in. I got in and got out at the right time…Retirement does NOT suck…
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I would recommend the AMO program, it probably is a golden nugget compared to the SIU unlicensed apprentice program. Mind you, the AMO program was originally a joint SIU-AMO effort and for whatever reason I am not familiar with, SIU chose to disassociate itself from the licensing program; possibly it serves no purpose for SIU to promote a program that does not directly benefit them, I would fully understand that. I am in the AMO so I am biased, the AMO is not awful at any level, we have the most contracts and ships, not the highest paid contracts but we don’t have to board in a flop house and or sit on our ass in the union hall begging for a job either, all online or via phone. The grads I ran into appear happy they made the choice.
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This whole time I thought I’d been having a good experience visiting friends in the city, shooting the shit with other union brothers/sisters, and picking up a daywork job or two for fun and profit, but here it turns out that I’ve been suffering and begging. Who knew?
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Plus having to keep track of all those overtime and penalty time hours for all that extra pay.