[QUOTE=sjöman;193019]ain’t you a bright cookie, child[/QUOTE]
Nah just learning sir. Hope all is well with you.
[QUOTE=Kennebec Captain;189877]I don’t know what happened on the [I]El Faro[/I] and I don’t know what they were using for weather info but here is what I did:
For the afternoon before the departure I plotted the position, forecast positions and looked at the wind field for Joaquin (on the 28th) and considered if the planned track could be justified. If looked at without hindsight I don’t think that the decision at that point is entirely unreasonable.
I plotted the forecast for each morning and evening, the first forecast that is very difficult to justify standing on is the one at 30/2100Z, however even then the forecast wind speeds is about what the [I]El Yunque[/I] encountered. The forecast at 01/0300Z shows Joaquin almost on the [I]El Faro’s [/I] track and the only plausible reason for not taking action at that point is that they did not recieve or did not plot that forecast, or at least it appears they did not respond to it.
Again I am not trying to justify or excuse, just trying to look at it in a perspective that makes a little more sense.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree. It’s all about being proactive and defensively assuming the worst can happen. I also have a great relationship with my favorite PMO and seek his counsel on big storms. For Matthew he even answered me while he was on vacation.
Hopefully the families of these lost mariners can progress further with the healing process once this information goes public. These transcripts are most likely going to be difficult to read for all of us, but necessary to learn and not repeat the mistakes.
So tomorrow on 12/13/16 @ 9:30 am they will open the docket.
The NTSB plans to webcast the press briefing. A link to the webcast will be available at
http://ntsb.capitolconnection.org/
shortly before the start of the press briefing.
[QUOTE=DeepSeaDiver;193021]Nah just learning sir. Hope all is well with you.[/QUOTE]
in order to do that, you want to get on a ship first. telling by your gobbledygook, that hasn’t happened yet.
Just read the published transcript. I feel drained.
I do not possess the emotional strength to listen to the audio recording of their terrifying final moments. I question how hearing it could elicit anything but profound sadness.
Rest in Peace shipmates.
I am going to read it tonight after I have medically prepared myself for the ordeal
Rest in Peace shipmates.
Aye to that sentiment…so very sad
By Kirk Moore on December 13, 2016
Hours before TOTE Services‘ 790’ ro/ro containership El Faro sank in Hurricane Joaquin with all 33 crew, the ship’s mates twice suggested that captain Michael Davidson alter course as they sought to dodge the worst of the storm.
But Davidson stuck to the course they had plotted the evening before, confident the plot would take them south of the storm center on the morning of Oct. 1, 2015, according to voice recorder transcripts released Dec. 12 by the National Transportation Safety Board.
The 500-page transcript from the recovered ship’s voyage data recorder — the longest transcript ever compiled by the agency — was among five “factual reports” made public in the NTSB’s accident investigation docket.
“It contains no analysis,” NTSB chairman Christopher Hart told reporters at a Washington, D.C. press briefing. “These steps are yet to come.”
Recovered from wreckage 15,000’ deep off the Bahamas, the El Faro voyage data recorder contained 26 hours of information, including crew conversations recorded on the bridge.
“We’ll be passing clear on the backside of it. Just keep steamin’ our speed is tremendous right now,” Davidson is quoted in the transcript shortly before 8 p.m. on Sept. 30. “The faster we’re going the better. This will put the wind on the stern a little more. It’s giving us a push.”
After the captain left the bridge, the transcript shows crew members discussing the storm.
“I’m not going to second-guess somebody,” one of the mates said. “The guy’s been through a lot worse than this. He’s been sailing for a long, long time. He did this up in Alaska.”
But in phone calls to the captain in his stateroom around 11 p.m. and again at 1 a.m. that night, the mates suggested altering course, calculating that they could get as close as 22 miles from the storm center by 4 a.m.
At 4:37 a.m. the chief engineer reported the ship’s starboard list was affecting oil levels in the engine room, and the ship soon lost power. Over the next two hours the crew struggled to right the ship and pump out flooding in one of the holds.
After sending distress calls, Davidson at 7:27 a.m. sounded the general alarm and directed the crew to prepare to abandon ship. In the last minutes before the recording ended amid heavy rumbling at 7:39 a.m., Davidson and a single crewman were still on the bridge, with the captain urging him on.
“I’m a goner,” the seaman said.
‘No you’re not,” Davidson yelled back.
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Transcript could have been much worse, imo. The crew had about 10 minutes to get in their suits and launch life rafts before recording ended on the bridge. (Based on sounds and list Im assuming water entry at that point) Appears the Master and an AB meant their fate on the bridge.
Sad. RIP.
C.Capt - Might I suggest a fifth of your favorite beverage prior to tonight’s read?
The on board conversations leading up to “MY GOD- HELP ME” moment was something we ALL here on gCaptain can relate to.
The final conversation between the despairing, terrified AB and the captain is nothing short of heart breaking.
C.Capt - Might I suggest a fifth of your favorite beverage prior to tonight’s read?
The on board conversations leading up to when the SHTF moment was something we all here on gCaptain can relate to.
The final exchange between the despairing, terrified AB and the captain is nothing short of heart breaking.
If you work on a boat and can read the last few pages without crying, you should probably change careers.
Prayers for their loved ones.
[QUOTE=Jetryder223;193250] The final exchange between the despairing, terrified AB and the captain is nothing short of heart breaking.[/QUOTE]
while many may question his judgement regarding storm avoidance, no mariner can deny his final actions were anything but those of a very brave and noble man.
[QUOTE=flotsam;193252]If you work on a boat and can read the last few pages without crying, you should probably change careers. [/QUOTE]
I couldn’t.
Just moved my immersion suit and PFD from my closet to on the floor next to my bunk while u/w.
[QUOTE=Jetryder223;193250]
The final exchange between the despairing, terrified AB and the captain is nothing short of heart breaking.[/QUOTE]
I just finished it and, wow, I don’t think Hollywood could come up with an ending as gut wrenching and true.
[QUOTE=flotsam;193252]If you work on a boat and can read the last few pages without crying, you should probably change careers.
Prayers for their loved ones.[/QUOTE]
I was planning a tribute and breifing on the gCaptain live show but couldn’t tears back on either dry run… hopefully a nights sleep brings some perspective…
[QUOTE=Steamer;193253]while many may question his judgement regarding storm avoidance, no mariner can deny his final actions were anything but those of a very brave and noble man.[/QUOTE]
Yes!! And he wasn’t alone! The CM and eng dealing with the flooding. The 2m keeping her cool. And god knows what the engineers were going though but its clear, from the bridge side of the conversation, that they were managing the onslaught of problems with professionalism and urgency.
I have a few other comments but they will have to wait because today is a day remember.
“A man’s real life is that accorded to him in the thoughts of other men by reason of respect or natural love.” Joseph Conrad, Author & Master Mariner
[QUOTE=john;193263]I was planning a tribute and breifing on the gCaptain live show but couldn’t tears back on either dry run… hopefully a nights sleep brings some perspective…[/QUOTE]
Give it at least a week before offering commentary. The transcript is so emotionally powerful, readers will need some time for quiet reflection before being able to discuss it.
I have finished reading the last twenty pages and know in my mind that all did their duty to the end…if only the crew had a safe refuge they could have gotten into which might have floated free but what they did have in way of lifesaving appliances never could have saved those souls in such conditions…a true tragedy for all to have suffered. Since the initial report that the EL FARO was missing, I have felt some visceral sense of having been there on her that morning even though I was many thousands of miles away and quite safe. It was somehow reliving all the close calls at sea where my own death might well have resulted and those memories makes one feel painfully mortal and so very vulnerable as a result. A ugly wrenching of my guts inadequately describes my feelings at reading the words spoken by the crew in the final fight to save their ship and only for the Grace of God, would have gone or will go I.
on another note…did anyone see this?
M1/M2
06:56:14.4
06:56:16.5
[multiple low frequency thuds and clashes, like metal crashing.]
I believe that is the moment where some piece of heavy cargo went adrift and likely punctured the shell plating. it seems that after that moment the list was steadily increasing and progressive downflooding ended any chance left to save the ship.
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[QUOTE=john;193262]I just finished it and, wow, I don’t think Hollywood could come up with an ending as gut wrenching and true.[/QUOTE]
Suspect writers are lining up now for a mad race for the book and movie rights. Tom Hank in the lead role no doubt.
Disgusting if that happens. This is a teaching topic, not a topic for entertainment.
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