[QUOTE=DredgeBoyThrottleJocky;140261]If the boss is also the owner, and he has a couple hundred people partying on board for free, then yes he’s Gonna Pay!
Ps, SF Bay coasties told us (SPV) that we could have as many people O/B as we wanted so long as there was No money changing hands, there were enough pfd’s for everyone and (I think) tape over the window decal… I didn’t ask about a "manifestly unsafe voyage…[/QUOTE]
Not sure which part of the SF Bay Coasties passed on that word, however that (taping over the window) has not been my experience.
From my time as a CG inspector, and from my recent contact with a Gulf area Sector Inspection office, I have found the basic answer has not changed:
[B]The vessel must comply with the COI at all time.[/B] Short and to the point. If a vessel operator/owner wishes not to fully comply with the COI for any reason, then they must turn in the COI to either their nearest inspection office, or the inspection office for their home port. No exceptions, No buts, No “how about” No “Turning the COI to the wall” fully comply at all times.
The purpose of a “Excursion permit” is for vessel’s that do not have a COI. Once a vessel is certificated, that COI trumps all. There is a little grey area for owners and owners representative not being counted as passengers, but that is it. Pretty well everyone on board that is not directly crew is a passenger.
Not sure how a owner “That wants to be in compliance” would even would bring this subject up. Kind of like someone starting off a conversation with “This is not a sea story”
[QUOTE=Ocean31;140269]Not sure which part of the SF Bay Coasties passed on that word, however that (taping over the window) has not been my experience.
From my time as a CG inspector, and from my recent contact with a Gulf area Sector Inspection office, I have found the basic answer has not changed:
[B]The vessel must comply with the COI at all time.[/B] Short and to the point. If a vessel operator/owner wishes not to fully comply with the COI for any reason, then they must turn in the COI to either their nearest inspection office, or the inspection office for their home port. No exceptions, No buts, No “how about” No “Turning the COI to the wall” fully comply at all times.
The purpose of a “Excursion permit” is for vessel’s that do not have a COI. Once a vessel is certificated, that COI trumps all. There is a little grey area for owners and owners representative not being counted as passengers, but that is it. Pretty well everyone on board that is not directly crew is a passenger.
Not sure how a owner “That wants to be in compliance” would even would bring this subject up. Kind of like someone starting off a conversation with “This is not a sea story”[/QUOTE]
Yeah… but the fact that a boat without a COI can do “whatever” with no problem… and he is talking about just having a dockside even, not throwing off the lines. Since he probably knows other boats/barges that don’t have to adhere to any limits as “permanently moored” he was probably hoping that if he was docked that he wouldn’t have to worry about the limits. This is the situation I see him in. He runs an excursion boat and normally sails with the appropriate crew and passenger count. Someone has approached him about having a wedding onboard… dockside… no navigation… and he is hoping he can do it even though they want more people than his COI calls for. Just like the floating restaurant that is smaller than him could do… because they don’t have a COI since they never leave the dock. I understand your answer… but I also understand why he would ask because it really doesn’t make sense to allow a permanently moored vessel to do “whatever” and constrain a COI vessel that isn’t underway. Either both should have some reasonable limits and oversight… or neither should have to be subject while docked and moored.
[QUOTE=Saltgrain;140270]Y Either both should have some reasonable limits and oversight… or neither should have to be subject while docked and moored.[/QUOTE]
I think if you dig deeper into the subject you will find that the term “operate” means not only underway but also at the dock.
