Training all police to a national standard intended for high crime cities is a big mistake. The police are now far too aggressive and trigger happy. I chose to live and work in safe, mostly rural, areas with very little crime. Criminals do not worry me, but I am afraid of the police.
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I agree and love in a rural area too but I donāt worry about being shot. If the cop is a combat vet he wonāt be trigger happyā¦ otherwise most cops canāt hit the side of a barn. Bullets are expensive so most departments canceled regular range practice long ago. Even new recruits arenāt given range timeā¦ and some departments require as low as 30 shots to qualify to carry a pistol (a few decades ago it was hundreds).
Now if multiple cops are on sceneā¦ then youāre right in worrying. The most important lesson you acn teach your kids is that blue flashing lights mean stay FAR AWAY. Gawkers not only get shot occasionally but they are far more likely to get arrested.
That said I do worry about being wrongly arrested and loosing my liscense. My father in law was a cop and this happens way more often than you would imagine (even to white people).
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This is what Iām expecting. Sad but true.
Wow; I read EVERY post before responding ! Deck Ape was closest to what i think and Sand Pebble, I WOULD distance myself from the guy who missed the fire and assign him suitable duty in the future.
John, I didnāt make it thru the movieā¦too long!!
I remember leading convoy in Iraq and having to make a decsion whether to halt the mission or ride thru this or that danger zoneā¦ i recall looking at pointer sticks wondering if i should be looking at the ābad spotā while passing or take it in the face ā¦ We had to go, the cop in question may not of HAD to go but I suppose by now he sure wishes heād of gone in there.
It is best summed up by Gregory Peck in ā12-0-clock highā where he tells his men to give themselves up for dead right nowā¦ it makes it easier to get on with the mission. To relate now: the USCG says you gotta go out but you donāt have to come back. That cop felt the obligation to go in, i like to think most cops would of walked in there realizing they had a 50/50 chance of getting out but to acually sit on the sidelines is not in any āheroesā budget.
and of course, there are āotherā ways of dealing with this but it all comes down to finding a bad guy in the room with a gun/bomb/whatever and you have reaction time to live or die.
And John, I sure wouldnāt volunteer to ride the plane into the tower !!, Iād rather not be involved but if i was I guess you do the right thing whether you want to or not because surviving not doing thatā¦ aināt worth it.
So John!
If you and I, along with many others believe this theory. How can we as Americans support and detour the political, and social media hacking of America being hacked by China, Russia, and North Korea.
I sincerely hope we can combat this destruction of our Countr>
IDK, the knternet was not designed to be secure.
Thatās a good rhing, means you are normal. Just promise me you wonāt sign up to be a cop 
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Working on a Large ATB with a 10 man crew, you need everyone to not only know their job but to be able to trust them to do it!
One time we a āsmallā emergency, the mate had retracted the Intercon pins instead of extending them while we were in 10-15 foot seas. The AE almost froze but came around, the cook was a different animal. After we (the Captain and I (CE)) got the pins back out we realized that the cook was missing. After a few terrifying minutes he was found up on the Barge in the Office!
So, until you have a real emergency, you have no idea how anyone will react!
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Itās not just individuals, itās a crew dynamic phenomena. Having a robust crew helps in an emergency.
According to Freud individuals are more likely to panic if and when they stop feeling like part of a crew .
āIf an individual in panic fear begins to be solicitous only on his own account, he bears
witness in so doing to the fact that the emotional ties, which have hitherto made the danger seem small to him, have ceased to exist. Now that he is by himself in facing the danger, he may surely think it greater.ā
In other words when an individual ceases to feel like part of the crew the danger seems greater.
This is fromThe Collapse of Sensemaking in Organizations: The Mann Gulch Disaster (pdf) by Karl E. Weick
Weickās source is the book Young Men and Fire ā 1992 by Norman Maclean
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Were I a cop I believe the correct ācopā attitude would be to ādo your dutyā and take your chancesā¦
The odds of survival favor the well trained and equipped, you donāt think every ww1 and ww2 victim was a victim because of the āāsilverāā bullet do you? ā¦ NO, If you adhere to the training, endure the bs of wearing your gear, your chances of survival are greatly increased ā¦ I should think Korea alone would prove this, and as someone mentioned: a combat veteran GENERALLY makes a better cop because the other cops only have the hope of being able to commit them selves to the causeā¦ the soldier on the line has no other choice. But to further this: once a individual commits their soul to their cause: , be it a fire fighter, a cop, a soldier, sailer, realizing you are at the mercy of whatever despite your training you will die a gallant deathā¦ but again, the odds favor the prepared and the individual prepared to face death in itsā cause perform betterā¦ and more likelyā¦ infalliblyā¦ whether you ācatchā the silver bullet or not.
The smaller crew sizes of ATBs and string boats require all to pretty much be able to handle stressful moments. Quick action regarding fires (I have first hand experience with this) has kept minor incidents from expanding into major catastrophes. . . .
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Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
This video goes against everything Iāve ever learned as a ship Captain.
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Are you referring to accountability???
Thatās so early aughts. We are in the teens now. Next comes the roaring twenties!
Surely if youāre in a position where itās in the description to respond to an emergency, it is your duty to do so. No one made you take that job, you signed up for it.
If my ship catches fire and I am called upon to fight it and refuse or instead run from it, I will be up in front of the Captain explaining myself and likely facing punishment. Militaryās a bit different obviously, but even on the civilian side your shipmateās lives may depend on your actions. We all know this going into the job, right? Itās part of being at sea.
That being said, the training is always āreport it and get more people to help you,ā never āfind it and fight it yourself.ā The idea would be to combat a problem as a team instead of as an individual, as the team is stronger and has a better chance of saving everyone / the ship.
Years ago, the established police response to active shooters was to wait until several officers could form a unit in order to attack the shooter from different angles. Lessons learned in the Columbine shooting in 1999 changed that. There are training scenarios to prepare for it and every sworn police officer is aware or should be aware of the established response. It has proven itself in a dozen cases where the carnage was stopped in its tracks by the first person to arrive armed with a pistol.
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āIf I have to choose between attempting to put out a fire or spending my life thinking of myself as a coward I will surely try to put out a fireā
Iāve thought about these situations a lot. Way back when while living in Alaska, two people died if different incidents over a yearās time. In both cases, they died trapped, couldnāt get out even after 30+ minutes and plenty of people trying to help.
I decided that if ever presented with such a scenario Iād do whatever neccessary, no matter the risk to myself, to assist. Knowing if i didnāt i could never get over the guilt that i didnāt try enough.
I know everyone is not like me and Iām not judging others. But i know what i can live with or not.
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All these heroic proclamations sounds great. āRun into the teeth of danger and save the children!ā Only trouble is flee or freeze has been a successful survival instinct over the past few hundred million years. When faced with danger critters and people will frequently freeze or flee.
Itās the fault of those people that decided that one insufficiently trained person alone should do a job that goes against normal survival instincts. It would be like a ship designer deciding that no emergency generators were needed because the main engine shouldnāt fail. Or that firefighting gear isnāt needed because the crew have been ordered not to let fires start.
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This is a guest post by Ari Kohen, Assistant Professor of Political Philosophy at University of Nebraska-Lincoln and author of Untangling Heroism
Heroes Arenāt Born, Theyāre Made.
Saying āIām sure Iād be a heroā isnāt one of the things that makes you more likely to be a hero. 99% of people think theyāll do the heroic thing.
Thatās not 100% accurate.
While most people either flee or freeze a small percentage of the population has always had the genetic switch to run towarrs the fire.
Modern science believes these people are those with severe cases of ADHD. The brains of people with ADD have smaller dopamine and adrenaline glands (thats pretty much all ADD is). When a crowd is spooked EVERYONEās brains orders a max push of drugs. The people with large dopamine (a downer) glands freeze and those with large adrenaline (an upper) glands flee.
But ADD folks always run at low levels of dopamine and adrenaline (thats why they offen feel lethargicā¦ which is why they often act out to boost their dopamine levels)ā¦ when danger strikes their small glads give max output but that only gets them a little above ānormalā levels. Suddenly they are feeling great and perceptive while everyone else is freezing or freaking out.
ADD people feel lethargic and āout of it) most of the time because, from a genetic protection merhod, they are not suppose to work. They are suppose to mope around the tribal village and Litteraljy do nothjng but stare into the woods untill the enemy shows up.
The problem is two fold:
- The medical profession doesnāt measure glands and misdiagnoses of ADD ( MANY people who have it are not diagnosed and many normal people get misdiagnosed) so nobody really knows who is honestly add anymore.
- The social mechanism put in place by our DNA to stare into the woods and do nothjng isnāt accepted by society today. To advance as a cop tou need to be good at paperwork which means just to oerform todayās job you are either not ADD or self-medicate.
ADD people are great at running into fire. They thrive on it. But a coo who is ADD is never going to get (nor does he want) an administrative job like school bullshit officer.
So, I agree 100%, we do need to respect our genetic makeupā¦ itās just nkt as sime as fight or flee.
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