My friend is training as a train engineer and they absolutely cannot have a cell phone with them, they felt they needed to make it a written rule.
Where I live we had a pilot fall asleep and the ship’s crew thought it rude to wake him up, but also did not bother to steer themselves. They ran in a straight line into the shoals around Smith Island, a few hours south of where the Ever Stuck ended up.
Some discussion of Asian deference to authority happened with that one too.
It exists in the UK. I used to get the newsletters from agents with the various near misses. Haven’t seen one in a while, but the system still exists. Apparently for aviation and maritime
Take the class at any academy or union school and you’ll learn the definition.
Yes it exists in the UK but has become degraded by Yachtsmen wanting to have a pop at professional Mariners.
The ethos behind its inception was sound and it still does have its moments of brilliance but unfortunately it was opened up to a wider audience.
I am also a leisure boater on an inland waterway and there are some who have discovered the MAIB and wish to inundate them with reports of the numerous bumps and scrapes that happen when you have untrained folk taking out 45 ’ boats with on average 20 mins instruction.
I have some sympathy with Yacht Sailor as an ametur Aircraft Pilot I can point out deficiencies in basic aircraft training and operation but have never been in the left seat of a large jet. Likewise Yacht folk have never been in charge of a quarter of a million tonnes of ship or 3000 + passengers.
Walk a mile in my shoes etc.
Mr TT
Maybe it has changed, but I have never boarded a pilot who at the exchange ever said anything like, “ Captain – I am expecting you
and your bridge team to be on the ball this transit. Let’s make sure we all check the helm orders and bells, and if at any time you are
not 100 pct comfortable with what I am doing please say something - I will be happy to explain.
I would never lecture a bridge team on how to perform.
BUT
The last sentence of my quote above was always a part of my MPX.
My way of putting it was
" Captain, if you don’t like what I am doing when we are berthing, don’t get all grumpy, just tell me and I will do it differently"
There are many ways to berth a vessel and if it is not blatantly dangerous I will do it the way that makes The Captain feel comfortable. If it takes 30 minutes longer then so be it.
Happy Captain, Happy Life.
I know from Working as part of a 2 Pilot team on the largest Ships that I was far from the only one that did this.
The vast majority of the time if the Captain thought he/ she was involved in the decision making process and could have input at any time would very very rarely have any input at all and I was free to do my own thing.
It’s a bit of reverse phycology in all truth.
The CHIRP system for aviation works well as there are tens of thousands of aircraft pilots whereas even for an island nation like ours there are only 500 ish Marine pilots.
Annonymity is far from guaranteed.
There is a reason: Train engineer was texting just before California crash | Reuters
Also, train engineers and ship pilots are very far apart in skill/responsibility/pay.
Weak answer. And what they “teach” is just whatever the death-by-powerpoint tells them to say. It’s a farce.
In some ports the pilot comes aboard with a chartlet showing the route. Some more detailed plans show the planned arrangement of the tugs and the details of the approach to the berth.
I don’t recall seeing that in U.S. ports but I’ve found it to be useful.
Don’t think the anyone’s claiming it’s a new concept. Nothing new about the idea of individuals working together as a team nor are the principles of passage planning new.
Well run ships have been using the concepts for a long time.
Australasian ports this is the norm. The pilot will explain all stages of the manoeuvre marking them on the booklet including the point where the tugs are made fast.
Maybe the subject of BMR / Pilots will be brought up at this year’s ISPO Conferences?:
https://ispo-standard.com/ispo-conference-2023
It’s not specifically mentioned on the agenda, but ample time to bring it up during the daily
“Round the table” session.
Anybody here attending?
One of those most well thought out replies to this subject.
It has been over 20 years since I have sailed. I did hold, and sailed on US Federal Pilotage. I expresed an opinion on a message board.
I understand the enormity of the responsibilty, the almost magical talent, and the near super human effort it takes to drive ships up and down the same channel over and over. Something mear sailors can barely fathom.
Sorry to offend.
Looks like a good system.
I agree with @texastanker that the skills of pilots can be impressive, specifically the ability to board and handle a ship of any size and type and work with a unknown crew and captain.
That said it’s not always like that on the other side of the sea buoy.
Why does that matter?
Maybe not, but the bridge teams you meet have experienced thousands of pilots. Who is better positioned to comment on the average abilities of pilots, a captain that’s seen multiple pilots or a pilot that’s seen multiple bridge teams?
lost my manners - thanks
You just do get the intent of this thread do you.
We are not talking about the ability of Pilots nor the ability of Captains nor of duty Officers or Helmsmen. We are discussing BRIDGE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT.
“BRM- A Pilot’s Perspective”
Now, in your professional sphere wherever that may be, if you truly believe that Pilots are not the best placed to offer commentary on the efficacy of the BRM culture having dealt with THOUSANDS of DIFFERENT bridge teams then I wish you all the best in your state of delusion.
Yes, and your ego refuses to accept input from people that have dealt with thousands of pilots the same way you’ve dealt with thousands of bridge teams. Two of the deficiencies noted in this thread is the reluctance of junior officers to speak up when they have doubt about the pilot, and the reluctance of pilots to accept commentary from bridge crew. All you’ve done is demonstrate why no one is willing to question the pilot until after he runs aground.
Again, during transit the pilot is a part of the team and we’ve seen WAY WAY more pilots than you so maybe instead of arguing you should listen.
Now we are leaning on the tenet of “ego”……
Clearly, this is a lost cause.