More respect for US Navy officers and enlisted personnel needed


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Well, that’s getting printed out and posted on our watch status board.

Can’t wait for the dude who says it to walk in, hah.


Do you have any insight on the destroyer that almost swapped paint with the USNS Bob Hope during her visit to San Diego a few weeks back? The pilot that brought the Hope in was telling us about it while bringing us in shortly after. I didn’t hear first hand, but sounded like the Navy was outbound, messed up a turn, over corrected and wound up in front of the inbound Hope. The Hope went as far to stbd as they could between where the carriers tie up and the bridge and managed to get out of the way but it was close.


san diego has to be one of the worst harbors in california when it comes to having a large number of oblivious, recreational mariners getting in the way.


Off topic but the recreational boat manufacturers have a HUUUGE lobby in Washington. They are not going away any time soon…


I don’t, only to say that it wasn’t the one I’m on.

I’m a little surprised that it was an error like that though, Master Helmsman isn’t usually an easy qual to get. If the bridge got hectic I might be able to see it, though one would hope that in the wake of the Fitz, McCain, and remembering the Porter people would be aware of the dangers of this.


Does firing Commanders help in improving the respect for USN, or improve the ability to avoid collisions and groundings??:


Generally they fire a CO based on a “loss of confidence in their ability to command,” which essentially just means “we don’t trust you to successfully command a warship anymore.”

Some of it is setting an example to the rest of the COs that the Navy won’t let you get away with such things and keep command, and some of it is showing the outside world that the Navy has taken some action in the wake of the accidents.


Yes it shows that “the Navy have taken some action”. Good PR for the media, but does it do anything to improve the ability of the people on the bridge to avoid running into, or getting in the way of things??


Well I can tell you that changes are coming down from SURFOR regarding this stuff.

I’m not sure how much of it is releasable as yet, but at least one of the changes will be visible to the merchant marine(and something that people on this very forum have brought up.)

CNO: U.S. Navy Warships Will Start Transmitting AIS

So they will switch on the AIS, at least when in heavy trafficked areas??
But that only help others to avoid them, not them making the right decisions. Rocks and reefs don’t monitor AIS.

Besides, if a wrong decisions are made, like making sudden changes that is either putting them in front of another ship, or too late to be detected and acted upon by other vessels, it may get them in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Is this when we dig out the video of “We’re a lighthouse… your call mate.” ??


Based on the historical record, that would be a big no.


Well, guess it was more releasable than I thought if you already found part of it, hah.

But yes the AIS is one of the changes, basically it should be on when not out in the open ocean away from shipping lanes, from what I understand. I’ve already seen my own ship on as of about 5 minutes ago.

There are other directives that came down about navigation / bridge watchstanding as well, in his message, mostly revolving around the bridge. He also is enforcing the circadian watch rotation to ensure bridge teams have adequate rest, and ordering that mo-boards be run and extra monitoring be added for any contacts within a certain CPA.

There’s also a piece about standardizing some standing orders and moving to have a sort of “Navy-wide” standard base of Standing Orders that CO’s can’t modify, IE you MUST call the CO if a contact will CPA within xxx yards or something like that. This is already is most of them(all that I’ve seen), but the yards reported at varies.


Many places in the world the traffic is so dense that distance between vessels are indeed counted in metres (yard) not n.miles. Singapore Strait, English Channel and the approaches to Tokyo Bay are among them.

Even large swats of waters like the Southern North Sea, East China Sea, Yellow Sea etc. can be a challenge for inexperienced watch standers.

When is the CO going to get his rest if he is called every time a ship gets within a mile, or whatever?

PS> I “didn’t find part of it”, it is just the obvious first step that don’t need any training or have any negative consequences. Luck guess.


Generally we maneuver to keep all traffic outside 5k yards at a minimum if we’re able to move. The only time we get that close to traffic is during transits, which the CO is either on the bridge for anyway or is aware that the number of phone calls will be high. The CO only needs a call if the CPA will be within xxx yards regardless of our own maneuvering, or if we are unable to open CPA to an acceptable range.

The CO sleeps whenever the CO can, in my experience.


So does the Master on merchant ships, or at least used to. The rules used to say; “the Master shall ensure he gets enough rest” but not specifying what “enough” constitute.

My longest spell on the bridge without sleep was 56 hours when delivering a scrap ship from Singapore to Taiwan with unqualified mates and dodging a Typhoon, but I don’t recommend it.

The point is that there should be another person able and allowed to take the place of the CO when he is unable to perform because of fatigue, or for whatever other reason.


You got that right.

And there’s a big contradiction that needs to be faced up to but probably will not be: the effects of lack of sleep on alertness, judgment, situational awareness, etc. are precisely the same as consumption of alcohol or depressant-type drugs or medications, and this is all well-studied, well-known and well-documented.


And studiously ignored in the face of personal and professional interests. No one has ever been promoted or received a medal for getting enough sleep.


The point is that there should be another person able and allowed to take the place of the CO when he is unable to perform because of fatigue, or for whatever other reason.

This is what the XO and/or Navigator are for as well, if the CO is exhausted he/she has every right and ability to inform the bridge that the XO will be taking reports for him for the next however many hours, though generally this would only be done away from heavy traffic areas. I’ve personally only ever seen it a few times, but then usually I’ve noticed COs manage to get enough sleep, if that means sleeping in the morning or taking time to rest in the afternoon.