[QUOTE=cajuntugster;160876][QUOTE=z-drive;160449]How the fuck is it illegal to support a union? You can support whoever the hell you want. Company policy can ask you not to, but you’re free to do whatever you want with your money. We all know they can fire you under an alternate pretense though.
What say the chouest apologists? The issue is with the policy, not whether or not unions are good or not, or wanted or not.
Everyone needs to read the policy that was written, not the policy they want to read.
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.As you can read, Illegal does not pertain only to the law, federal, state, or local. It can refer to company policies, just like in the “Oath” that CC posted. Furthermore, it only asks you to sign if you agree.
I have been screwed over by both SIU and AMO in the past, so yes I think Unions are nothing more than parasites. However, I have not and never will work for ECO, I know too many people who have and their stories tell me all I need to know about them. As for supporting unions, of course you have that right, just not on company time or property.
Is this “Oath” any more illegal than a company that will not allow you to work for it’s competitor on your time off? A company that requires you to sign a pledge of confidentiality or promise not to work for their competitor for at least a year after you quit them?.
We all can go on and on with anectdotal examples of each side of this coin, but to answer the ORIGINAL question? OF course it is legal for ECO to ask an employee to support their company policies.[/QUOTE]
So… It seems there has been a tremendous amount of discussion back and forth on the subject. Mostly civil and polite (I am very impressed), some a little off the mark going for or against the union, but all-in-all it seems there is a general consensus that legal or illegal the document leaves a bad taste in everyone’s mouth sans the most extreme on one side of the aisle. Is it possible that we could hammer out a middle of the road charter that every single member of gCaptain could sign without reservation? Is that even possible? Not Union vs Non-Union, but indeed a simple and effective strategy that combines the positives of both and serves no one but the working mariner.
- Can a mariner work and receive merit based raises, bonuses, promotions, etc. without the requirements the all are paid the same regardless of their effectiveness on the job but only based on seniority.
- Can a company hire and fire fairly. Not at a whim or based on thin the herd at any cost. Certainly not because you fail to break all the companies rules when it is inconvenient for them.
- Can a mariner that is somewhat protected be fair and objective when given a task that might be out of their scope of normal duties but for the short term and the spirit of getting the job done?
- How can we maintain productivity yet not be subject to coercion to do it at all costs.
- How can a company that needs to thin the herd due to downsize, cutbacks, etc. do so without attorneys?
- How can a mariner have some protections without the need to keep an attorney on call? Or fear loosing his job for not agreeing or at the very least not being fully supportive on any certain policy.
- Can protest and discussions be made without strikes, slowdowns, etc. (That is a challenge for both sides)
Very interested in why we, working mariners, can’t have both. Is one only possible because of money that is to be made on either side of the discussion? This is probably the only forum that might actually have a chance of at least an attempt at drafting such a document. So of you seem to have a better than average education… spit out some ideas.