"obscure" .... 'Jones Act'

Yes. Most of the foreign recruiter postings are similar. Low low wages and nationality restrictions. Often age restrictions too.

There are some U.K. and Northern European jobs posted at 50% to 66% of normal US wages, but the vast majority require EU citizenship or residency status. Virtually all of them require U.K. or EU CoC or CeC. Often they also require some U.K. or EU specific courses.

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Curious, US Company, Panama Flag…

It’s been done before. The government gives itself a lot more waivers than most people realize.

Yup. Those wages are still subject to taxes, say 25% or so. Could be more or less. The mariner has to pay his own very expensive health insurance. We get none of that free stuff most first world countries provide. So in the end that job wouldn’t pay very well.

This is an ad by a Russian Crewing Agent for work on simple AHTSs in Saudi and open for Ukrainians, Russians, Georgians and Azerbaijanis only, so low wages are no surprise.

BTW; There are no taxes in Saudi. Health care coverage is required by MLC’06 and in the Aramco contracts.

Yeah, Maintenance and cure are required by the Jones Act too, but MLC’06 doesn’t do anything for the person when they’re home does it? That’s what DeckApe meant by health insurance, not while we’re on the boat, but for while we’re home.

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Most countries have universal health care, but not all.

As an American I have to pay United States federal income tax no matter where I earn it. So if I worked in Saudi I would pay tax. Let’s say I owe $1000 to the United States in taxes but I paid $300 to some other country. In this case I’d deduct what I paid to the other country and I’d still owe $700 to the United States. (A little simplified but you get it.) I would owe it no matter where I lived.

When I go home I wouldn’t have health care. In that case I’d have to buy individual health insurance for myself and perhaps my family. As an individual (not as part of a larger pool of employees) buying health care is absurdly expensive. I’d likely earn too much for subsidized insurance for the poor.

There’s other things, for example, employer or union contributions to retirement funds and so forth that would be missed.

Considering these factors working for an overseas employer can be less rewarding then if I were a citizen of anywhere else. Not impossible but certainly prohibitive.

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Well no shit… but that was exactly what was pointed out by @DeckApe now wasn’t it? That on top of those low wages, we’d have to pay our own health insurance.

Honestly, do you even read all of what people write or do you just assume what they’re going to say and respond in a way that you think will make you look smarter?

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Oh I read and understood what is said, but I also realize that for Americans such wages is not even considered.
For the people that was wanted in that ad it is still not very good pay, but there is bound to be some from those three countries that is willing to take it on.

I am fully aware of the expat American’s predicament with taxes, even difficulty in even opening a bank account overseas.
Not to mention the high cost of heath insurance and lack of a Governmental pension fund. In fact I have got my ar*e chewed out here for mentioning the fact that US is the only developed country that doesn’t have some form of universal services.

What amazes me is how so many Americans think this is right and good. Obviously the rich and the powerful have trained you well. (Or duped you well??)

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No, more a case of not wanting to pay for the lazy bums that don’t want to actually earn/pay for themselves. I’d go more into depth, but that would wind up severely off the original topic. Suffice to say, I’d like to keep what I earn instead of having it going into the pocket of some welfare queen down the road. Sorry, I’m far from a socialist. I look out for me, and mine.

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You pay for that “welfare queen” in the form of taxes, but gets nothing back for yourself.
But you are right, we’ll probably be shut down for OT here soon. Good night.

You got that right!

The right-wingers just can’t seem to understand that they are paying (and paying dearly) for universal health care already and are paying out the ass for every other social safety net program they hate so much because the likes of Jeaux Boss bribed their way out of paying their share.

They are the people who will fight to the death for the right to starve to death sheltering under a bridge or dying of some easily treated ailment because they can’t afford to have it treated until they have to go to an emergency room at taxpayer expense.

In the meantime they will spend their unemployment checks on chemically enhanced junk food and curse anyone who tries to fight for labor and consumer protection laws.

Look at the latest scandal regarding the DEA and the opiate industry. That is the newest poster child for our incredibly corrupt congress and campaign funding schemes.

For the most part the right wing American worker has drunk so much Kool-Aid he thinks it is champagne. All the while they think they are “keeping what they earn” … at least until they lose their home because they can’t pay for a broken leg or some other ailment that would be nothing more than an inconvenience in the rest of the developed world.

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Meanwhile the left wing American worker is trying to figure out how to pay for the 300% premium increase on their Obamacare plan. If only they could’ve read it before it was passed. :thinking:

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Meanwhile, today, the mayor of San Juan was back on CNN bashing the Jones Act. I’d like to ask her why she doesn’t bash the US domestic airline industry which serves her island. Surely, American pilots cost more than Ukrainian or Pakistani pilots. Such a lack of knowledge about the various transport modes that serve Puerto Rico isn’t surprising, but it’s pretty damned sad. I wonder who is paying her off.

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Much of that is true. We do need universal basic healthcare.

I could also say pretty similar things about the Libtard welfare pushers that want bigger government and ‘free’ everything, subsidies to be ‘artists.’ and more welfare for anyone who would rather stay home and smoke ‘free’ ‘medical’ pot all day.

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Its the corrupt and inept lack of political leadership, like the Mayor of San Juan, that bankrupted Puerto Rico, and has always kept it poor, in spite of massive amounts of US aid.

It’s a no-brainer that with its natural beauty, topography, climate, a lot of underutilized human capital, and its legal tax haven status that Puerto Rico should be a booming prosperous tropical paradise.

They should have voted for statehood long ago.

They have. A few times now.

(Bonus if you can connect the relationship between when they voted for statehood and geopolitical happenings.)

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BWe have here four or five health insurance companies that work in competition with each other from which we can choose. Participation is compulsory to prevent that some uninsured smart asses are in the end treated free of charge in the emergency or first aid rooms. The insurance companies have to except everybody, also those with serious illnesses and conditions, no cherry picking.

I pay at the moment an annual fee of €1100.- or $1296.- and have an own risk of €385.- For that I am fully insured including hospital treatment, not alone in the Netherlands but the whole of Europe. Dental care is not included, you must insure for that separately.

In a recent TV program recorded in Wise, Virginia in the poor mining district it was said that under Obamacare they have to pay $400.- per week which is hard to believe. Own risk was about a flabbergasting $15000.- ! So nobody was insured and depended on free medical and dental treatment from the Health Wagon driving around from place to place in that area. The lady said that they did this already for 18 years… A true third world situation unworthy of a country like the USA. It saddened and perplexed me very much, I had no idea that something like this could exist in a basically rich country.

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