# Wage confusion **URL:** \ **Category:** Maritime Employment\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 2:38am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680 "2013-02-19T02:38:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![REDFLAG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90ced4/32.png) [@REDFLAG](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/REDFLAG)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 2:38am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/1 "2013-02-19T02:38:42Z")
I am working on some new DP towing vessels here in the gulf and these rates seem a little low compared to the other companies I hear about. Another thing thats kinda odd is the rates are decreased when not underway. DP non DP…There are are so many wage combinations it will make your head spin. Master 500 - dock non DP 620 - sea no DP 546 - dock DP1 682 - sea DP1 606 - dock DP2 758- sea DP2 DP1 & DP2 being limited and unlimited… Chief Mate 387 - dock non DP 474 - sea non DP 429 - dock DP1 536 - sea DP1 489 - dock DP2 611 - sea DP2 2nd Mate 329 - dock non DP 403 - sea non DP 372 - dock DP1 465 - sea DP1 432 - dock DP2 540 - sea DP2 3rd Mate 296 - dock non DP 362 - sea non DP 340- dock DP1 425 - sea DP1 400 - dock DP2 500 - sea DP2 Chief Engineers 438 - dock 559 - sea 1st Assistant Engineer 386 - dock 473 - sea 2nd Assistant Engineer 368 - dock 378 - sea Able bodied seaman 271 - dock 278- sea OS cook 253 - dock’ 261 - sea OS 218 - dock 224 - sea AB Cook 281 - dock 289 - sea ---
**Author:** ![Seapistol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Seapistol](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Seapistol)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/2 "2013-02-19T10:56:57Z")
> [@"REDFLAG"](#): > > I am working on some new DP towing vessels here in the gulf and these rates seem a little low compared to the other companies I hear about. Another thing thats kinda odd is the rates are decreased when not underway. DP non DP…There are are so many wage combinations it will make your head spin. > > Master > 500 - dock non DP > 620 - sea no DP > 546 - dock DP1 > 682 - sea DP1 > 606 - dock DP2 > 758- sea DP2 > > DP1 & DP2 being limited and unlimited… > > Chief Mate > 387 - dock non DP > 474 - sea non DP > 429 - dock DP1 > 536 - sea DP1 > 489 - dock DP2 > 611 - sea DP2 > > 2nd Mate > 329 - dock non DP > 403 - sea non DP > 372 - dock DP1 > 465 - sea DP1 > 432 - dock DP2 > 540 - sea DP2 > > 3rd Mate > 296 - dock non DP > 362 - sea non DP > 340- dock DP1 > 425 - sea DP1 > 400 - dock DP2 > 500 - sea DP2 > > Chief Engineers > 438 - dock > 559 - sea > > 1st Assistant Engineer > 386 - dock > 473 - sea > > 2nd Assistant Engineer > 368 - dock > 378 - sea > > Able bodied seaman > 271 - dock > 278- sea > > OS cook > 253 - dock’ > 261 - sea > > OS > 218 - dock > 224 - sea > > AB Cook > 281 - dock > 289 - sea 💥:bomb:ka-boom​:bomb:💥 ---
**Author:** ![PaddyWest2012](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/paddywest2012/32/2405_2.png) [@PaddyWest2012](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/PaddyWest2012)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 11:15am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/3 "2013-02-19T11:15:57Z")
How common are non-DP wheel house jobs in the gulf? I am surprised to see every deck officer rating has a “no DP” option. I always thought you absolutely had to have DP to get off the deck and climb the ladder, but then I don’t really know enough about how things work down there. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Commodore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4af34b/32.png) [@The\_Commodore](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/The_Commodore)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 11:17am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/4 "2013-02-19T11:17:15Z")
I know we need to give our Companyman a log of when support vessels are inside 500m on DP vs not on DP. Understand from him this has to do with the contract for these vessels, and the crews told me they get paid a higher wage when on DP. This was outside of the Gulf, but not surprised to see it make it’s way here. ---
**Author:** ![mtskier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b77776/32.png) [@mtskier](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/mtskier)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 11:29am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/5 "2013-02-19T11:29:07Z")
New DP tug and a company with that many bean counters…Crowley? ---
**Author:** ![Tugs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/tugs/32/158_2.png) [@Tugs](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tugs)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 11:56am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/6 "2013-02-19T11:56:20Z")
[QUOTE=REDFLAG;99648]I am working on some new DP towing vessels here in the gulf and these rates seem a little low compared to the other companies I hear about. Another thing thats kinda odd is the rates are decreased when not underway. DP non DP…There are are so many wage combinations it will make your head spin. Master 500 - dock non DP 620 - sea no DP 546 - dock DP1 682 - sea DP1 606 - dock DP2 758- sea DP2 DP1 & DP2 being limited and unlimited… Chief Mate 387 - dock non DP 474 - sea non DP 429 - dock DP1 536 - sea DP1 489 - dock DP2 611 - sea DP2 2nd Mate 329 - dock non DP 403 - sea non DP 372 - dock DP1 465 - sea DP1 432 - dock DP2 540 - sea DP2 3rd Mate 296 - dock non DP 362 - sea non DP 340- dock DP1 425 - sea DP1 400 - dock DP2 500 - sea DP2 Chief Engineers 438 - dock 559 - sea 1st Assistant Engineer 386 - dock 473 - sea 2nd Assistant Engineer 368 - dock 378 - sea Able bodied seaman 271 - dock 278- sea OS cook 253 - dock’ 261 - sea OS 218 - dock 224 - sea AB Cook 281 - dock 289 - sea[/QUOTE] This reminds me of the old 333 pay scale. We had Harbor pay, Mud Pay, Scow Pay, Sound Pay and Coast Pay. There were days where our pay rate changed several times a day. We were paid the highest rate for the for work we did on any given day. We had some Deckhands that could not read and write very well but they could figure their pay out to the Nickle!!! ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Lee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ebca7d/32.png) [@Capt\_Lee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Lee)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 12:08pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/7 "2013-02-19T12:08:04Z")
[QUOTE=“The Commodore;99716”]I know we need to give our Companyman a log of when support vessels are inside 500m on DP vs not on DP. Understand from him this has to do with the contract for these vessels, and the crews told me they get paid a higher wage when on DP. This was outside of the Gulf, but not surprised to see it make it’s way here.[/QUOTE] The OIM is not only responsible for the installation, but also a 500 meter radius from the installation. Some company policies require that a vessel be dp capable to even come alongside. I have never heard of contacting a company man about a vessel actually being on dp or not, but I would not put it past them. ---
**Author:** ![z-drive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c37758/32.png) [@z-drive](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/z-drive)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 12:40pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/8 "2013-02-19T12:40:15Z")
> [@"Tugs"](#): > > We had some Deckhands that could not read and write very well but they could figure their pay out to the Nickle!!! Those are the best! Especially with overtime on a holiday. ---
**Author:** ![Fraqrat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/fraqrat/32/1961_2.png) [@Fraqrat](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Fraqrat)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/9 "2013-02-19T13:34:54Z")
I ain’t never heard of any OSV company coming up with a convoluted pay scheme like this. Where in the hell did you find this garbage? I don’t know anyone that would work for a pay scheme like this. Every OSV company I know if pays you for having DP limited or unlimited. There is a lower day rate for some while you’re a DP trainee getting your book signed off. I’ve never heard of being paid different rates for on or off DP time and dock time. What company is doing this nonsense? ---
**Author:** ![Traitor\_Yankee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/traitor_yankee/32/876_2.png) [@Traitor\_Yankee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Traitor_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 1:39pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/10 "2013-02-19T13:39:08Z")
> [@"Fraqrat"](#): > > I ain’t never heard of any OSV company coming up with a convoluted pay scheme like this. Where in the hell did you find this garbage? I don’t know anyone that would work for a pay scheme like this. Every OSV company I know if pays you for having DP limited or unlimited. There is a lower day rate for some while you’re a DP trainee getting your book signed off. I’ve never heard of being paid different rates for on or off DP time and dock time. What company is doing this nonsense? Has to be Crowley, and to think at one time I had been interested on getting on those ocean class boats if I ever left where I am now. I think I’ll pass with that level of bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![tugsailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9adbd/32.png) [@tugsailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tugsailor)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 1:48pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/11 "2013-02-19T13:48:28Z")
Can you imagine the amount of bureaucracy and paperwork that company must have for everything else? ---
**Author:** ![Traitor\_Yankee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/traitor_yankee/32/876_2.png) [@Traitor\_Yankee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Traitor_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/12 "2013-02-19T13:49:29Z")
> [@"tugsailor"](#): > > Can you imagine the amount of bureaucracy and paperwork that company must have for everything else? That’s all I can think of, if the day rates are that complicated, what are the fucking JSA’s like? ---
**Author:** ![REDFLAG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90ced4/32.png) [@REDFLAG](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/REDFLAG)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/13 "2013-02-19T22:36:14Z")
Yeah, I think my short taste of this is coming to an end. I can see who gets the bargain in collective bargaining here. Not to mention the other dung thats on top of this issue. Only the beginning and I have seen enough…Chateau it is !! ---
**Author:** ![Seapistol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Seapistol](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Seapistol)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 11:47pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/14 "2013-02-19T23:47:01Z")
[QUOTE=Traitor Yankee;99747]Has to be Crowley, and to think at one time I had been interested on getting on those ocean class boats if I ever left where I am now. I think I’ll pass with that level of bullshit.[/QUOTE] The level of bullshit is so thick you wouldnt believe it ---
**Author:** ![REDFLAG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90ced4/32.png) [@REDFLAG](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/REDFLAG)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/15 "2013-02-19T23:59:35Z")
[QUOTE=Traitor Yankee;99747]Has to be Crowley, and to think at one time I had been interested on getting on those ocean class boats if I ever left where I am now. I think I’ll pass with that level of bullshit.[/QUOTE] -NO SCHEDULE (but they will tell you there is one upon hiring for those boats) -Pay scale dependent on whether you are DP certified or not (limited or unlimited) -DOCK PAY ( Everytime the boat ties up you as an employee gets pays knocked down to the scale mentioned before, though they forgot to mention that to a few of the new hires) -Paychecks are constantly screwed up- (shit I would screw them up too if there was million different rates of pay) -Internet (what internet, still stuck in the ice ages) -Employee moral is the lowest of the low, people are angry. And there are some other issues I wont mention that are much more serious A major change needs to be implemented, or they are not gonna have anyone to run there boats soon. ---
**Author:** ![Tugted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@Tugted](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tugted)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/16 "2013-02-20T14:26:56Z")
you forget that you don’t pay a nickel towards insurance or retirement. Crowley foots the full bill ---
**Author:** ![dredgeboater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@dredgeboater](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/dredgeboater)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/17 "2013-02-20T14:49:33Z")
> [@"Tugted"](#): > > you forget that you don’t pay a nickel towards insurance or retirement. Crowley foots the full bill As long as its not SIU that’s probably great. ---
**Author:** ![Seapistol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Seapistol](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Seapistol)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 2:14am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/18 "2013-02-21T02:14:59Z")
> [@"Tugted"](#): > > you forget that you don’t pay a nickel towards insurance or retirement. Crowley foots the full bill What happens to that retirement money if the mariner quits the company and union after a few years and goes to work for a private company? ---
**Author:** ![ForkandBlade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@ForkandBlade](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ForkandBlade)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/19 "2013-02-21T04:20:40Z")
[QUOTE=Seapistol;99997]What happens to that retirement money if the mariner quits the company and union after a few years and goes to work for a private company?[/QUOTE] It then get’s transfered to Michael Sacco’s left pinky platinum ring fund! ---
**Author:** ![captrjo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@captrjo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/captrjo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680/20 "2013-02-21T04:39:25Z")
This must be where Abdon Callais got their fluctuating day rate scheme from. [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/wage-confusion/9680.md?page=2)