Understanding China


In New Zealand our telcos have been blocked by our communications security agency from using Huawei equipment to upgrade our cellphone system to 5G because of the threat of compromise by Chinese agencies.
Already threats are being issued by high placed Chinese Government officials to take retaliatory action so if the rest of the world notices Chinese warships making there way South then you will know why.


They are more likely to stop buying NZ lamb, wool and kiwi fruit (aka Chinese Gooseberries) and stopping Chinese tourists from heading that far south.


You’re correct but all the firms importing the goods you mentioned are supposed to be private companies some owned 50:50 with NZ interests.
The answer is that no firm in China interacts with countries outside China without the permission and more importantly a directive from the Chinese Government. If the Chinese government directs that its citizens will not visit New Zealand the citizens have no choice but to obey.


Google a Chinese Gooseberry and compare with a Haywood variety Kiwifruit. It is like comparing the plant we originally breed a carrot from to what we accept is a carrot today.


My Kiwi friends say that NZ has already been overrun by the Chinese.


The smart money has been leaving China on such a scale they had to implement currency controls a year or so back.


It sometimes looks that way in our biggest city and a lot of Chinese have emigrated here in the last 10 years but it has now tapered off.
The Chinese first started coming here about the time they started immigrating to the USA and the reason was the same - A gold rush in the 1860’s.
The early ones are proper Kiwis and I have no beef with them and as long as the new lot refrain from 5th column stuff and become New Zealand citizens we will get along just fine.


they have foreign property ownership laws now.
Some states in Australia did it in the 80’s when Japan was doing the same thing


China courting Panama, Latin America, from LL

The US is wary of China’s inroads into the region, especially after El Salvador and the Dominican Republic this year followed Panama’s example in recognising Beijing’s “one China” policy and ended diplomatic relations with Taiwan

Source: DFIC China

The Cosco Panama becomes the first ship through the newly enlarged Panama Canal in June 2016.

CHINESE President Xi Jinping will make his first state visit to Panama on December 2-3, aiming to further develop relations with the Central American country which established diplomatic ties with China and ended its connections with Taiwan a year ago.

Mr Xi and Panamanian president Juan Carlos Varela are expected to sign about 20 agreements concerning co-operation in several areas such as commerce, technology and infrastructure during the visit.

The two presidents may also pursue free-trade talks, initiated in July, that could see the Central American country becoming a distribution hub for Chinese goods across Latin America via the Colón Free Zone, also known as la Zona Libre de Colón or ZLC.

Situated on the Atlantic side of the Panama Canal, the ZLC is a leading free-trade zone. Established in 1948, the ZLC is allowed absolute freedom in the movement of goods, with no duties on imports or exports. In 2017, the value of ZLC exports stood at $10.4bn.

The Chinese visit will come after a key meeting between Mr Xi and US president Donald Trump at the G20 summit on November 30 to December 1 in Buenos Aires as China and the US, locked in an escalating tariff war, seek to calm tensions that have spilled over from their contest for geopolitical influence.

The US is wary of China’s inroads into the Central American region, especially after El Salvador and the Dominican Republic this year followed Panama’s example in recognising Beijing’s “one China” policy and ended diplomatic relations with Taiwan.

As a result of this perceived diplomatic setback, the US State Department recalled US ambassador to the Dominican Republic Robin Bernstein, US ambassador to El Salvador Jean Manes and US charge d’affaires in Panama Roxanne Cabral “for consultations related to recent decisions to no longer recognize Taiwan”.

The State Department said the diplomats would meet with US government leaders “to discuss ways in which the US can support strong, independent, democratic institutions and economies throughout Central America and the Caribbean”.

Located in Central America, with borders adjoining Costa Rica and Colombia, Panama is crucial to the regional and global economy, primarily due to the recently widened Panama Canal, bisecting the country to link the major trade lanes of the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans.

“The Panama Canal continues to exceed our expectations, reinforcing every day the importance of the waterway’s expansion and its impact on global maritime trade," Panama Canal administrator Jorge Quijano said in October when announcing record-breaking figures.

The Panama Canal is also crucial to the economy of the US, the waterway’s main user in 2018, with 67.7% of the total cargo throughput. The US was followed by China, 16.3%; Chile, 11.9%; Mexico, 11.8%; and Japan, 11.8%, as the top users of the Panama Canal in 2018.

In terms of cargo tonnage, the main routes using the Panama Canal in 2018 were between Asia and the US east coast, the West Coast of South America and the US east coast, the west coast of South America and Europe, the west coast of Central America and the US east coast, and inter-coastal South America.

Mr Xi’s visit to Panama has already provoked high-level push-back from the US, including recent jibes against China’s “predatory economic activity” by US secretary of state Mike Pompeo on a visit with president Varela in mid-October.

After the meeting, Mr Pompeo spoke with local media, expressing concerns that Panama could become a beachhead for growing Chinese economic influence in the Western Hemisphere and urging Panamanians to exert caution when considering business ties with China.

Mr Pompeo said he intended to tell the entire region that “when China comes calling, it is not always to the good of your citizens,” and that countries had to watch out for Chinese companies that “show up with deals that seem too good to be true”.

Following his meeting with the Panamanian president, Mr Pompeo said the US had no concerns about Chinese economic competition.

“We welcome that,” he said. “It is when state-owned enterprises show up in a way that is clearly not transparent, clearly not market driven and designed not to benefit the people of Panama, but rather to benefit the Chinese government.”

“Those are the kind of things we think are both inappropriate and not good for the people of Panama or any other country where China is engaged in this kind of predatory economic activity,” said Mr Pompeo.


In 2017 China brought into law the National Intelligence Law which states that any organisation or citizen can be required to assist with State Intelligence.
In China Tesla sends all the data that they collect from their vehicles to a state security agency. Any other manufacturer selling autonomous or electric vehicles in China have to do the same.
Not very comforting when you think of the number of Chinese nationals spread throughout the world with family still back in China.
George Orwell was on the money.


China is trying to develop world beating Universities and may already have succeeded with at least one:

China is getting more and more interested in protecting intellectual property and technology as they are rapidly becoming a target, rather than an infringer in the field.

PS> That doesn’t mean that film, music and games will not be pirated in China in the future.


Good for the goose but not for the gander. What a truly enlightened society they are :roll_eyes:


Uni ratings are crap, top research just means each lecturer fills in their time sheet with some more time that says research.

Still waiting to buy a Chinese invented product that I need


Gunpowder. . . .


He lives in Singapore so no need for guns and fireworks are banned in private hands.


Who will win and who will lose from the ongoing trade war??
Apparently the answer is all of us, at least according to this opinion piece:


hard going to buy flares now, they have moved them into controlled items, very few suppliers


printing and paper, I still use those
but I mean inventions in the last 2000 years


Yeah…ask the citizens…oooppsss…the SUBJECTS in Venezuela how that worked out for them

same story over and over and over again.


What has the situation in Venezuela got to do with Singapore??
If you want to know anything about Singapore, (or anything) don’t watch Fox News.