# Understanding China **URL:** \ **Category:** Scuttlebutt\ **Created:** [May 25, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005 "2017-05-25T13:07:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![Richard\_Dana](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/richard_dana/32/25800_2.png) [@Richard\_Dana](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Richard_Dana)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 6:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1452 "2021-11-15T18:07:16Z")
The summer of 2020 would suffice ---
**Author:** ![RetiredShipsAgent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@RetiredShipsAgent](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/RetiredShipsAgent)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1453 "2021-11-15T18:51:18Z")
Help me out here…Are you comparing the actions of the US government during covid19 to the actions of the Chinese government during Tiananmen? ---
**Author:** ![RetiredShipsAgent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@RetiredShipsAgent](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/RetiredShipsAgent)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1454 "2021-11-15T19:14:31Z")
That is, of course, understandable. I do not blame the Chinese people for the actions of the Chinese government when tanks literally ran over the protestors turning them into red slush. Everyone is familiar with the famous protester standing in front of the tanks. Much fewer people have seen the aftermath of when he left. Or I could post the streets wet with blood, run over bodies and bicycles. However, I’m not sure @ombugge Chinese internet provider would let him see the pictures. And I’m not too keen on bringing those images up on my work laptop. So, if necessary, I can post tonight. And naturally, his response will be some whataboutism with the US government in a thread stroking the short Chinese cock. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:25am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1455 "2021-11-16T11:25:36Z")
Remember the commies arent there for the people they are there for the party. The CCP constitution says so. That also applies to the rest of the world as fair game. They have experimented with capitalism and looks like thats about to be a spectacular failure re the governments role in money supply and control. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 11:55am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1456 "2021-11-16T11:55:03Z")
I think a few other things happened in the summer of 2020, if you care to remember. I could post some links to refresh your memory if you want? > [@RetiredShipsAgent](#): > > Or I could post the streets wet with blood, run over bodies and bicycles. Still waiting for your pictures, or have they been censored as too gory for sensitive Mariners? ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1457 "2021-11-30T13:48:41Z")
Those canny Chinese:(不错的小伙子) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/e/6/e61a3e5c3bbc073865e05b8e4861d72b3f9d2980.jpeg) [Ken Ford](https://www.facebook.com/groups/1163032730397965/user/1776480867/? __cft__ %5B0%5D=AZW_GRmhbDfBl8rQ6eJ_jPAzTRonBHRKELHFf4uJw7D-xkZx1Jd6Y8v_l1DuQB7mfJ1Z7VgHBd2phd3WleVAuIvtvl0ihqcsPfNgUDv1DMShqI28uT4ZDDMSdl7UU_V1KSsop4ibPTSLZkDBfhJ_ZBDEmK_XGXDgM0eyU3lWMy_KiQ& __tn__ =R%5D-R) bet they hide their air force in the air lol. > **[All at Sea](https://www.facebook.com/groups/allatsea/permalink/5004816772886189/)** > > Robert Hughes shared a post. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2022, 9:28pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1458 "2022-01-04T21:28:27Z")
China is gaining ground on trade deals with other Asian and Pacific nations: > **[RCEP: Asia readies world's largest trade deal | DW | 30.12.2021](https://www.dw.com/en/rcep-asia-readies-worlds-largest-trade-deal/a-60267980)** > > A decade in the making, the RCEP pact takes effect January 1, easing trade among Southeast Asian and Asia-Pacific nations. Economic giants China, Japan and South Korea are set to benefit the most. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 1:34pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1459 "2022-02-27T13:34:51Z")
Not to clutter up the Ukraine thread, here is a bit more reality on China -Taiwan relations: > **[What Do Taiwan’s People Think About Their Relationship to China?](https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/what-do-taiwans-people-think-about-their-relationship-to-china/)** > > A new survey delves more deeply into Taiwanese public opinion toward the ROC, China, and the nation’s future. And on the incursion of Chines warplanes into Taiwan “airspace”: > **[China's Taiwan military incursions test the limits of airspace | DW | 04.10.2021](https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-taiwan-military-incursions-test-the-limits-of-airspace/a-59398039)** > > China's recent air force maneuvers around Taiwan have been a cause for concern and consternation. However, there are critical distinctions to be made between rules on entering different kinds of airspace. The Taiwan Air Defence Identification Zone is self-declared and stretches way outside Taiwan Airspace, incl. into Chinese mainland ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/1/d/1df024224b7d28fc6498f971bf2d0148be4f0f93.jpeg) The flight path of the Chinese planes on 4th Oct. 2021 is indicated on the map. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/a/f/af28642ab5ef9e8c133cedf33154737d0762e3b7.png) PS\> If Cuba should declare an ADIZ that included half of Florida I assume that the US would just accept that?? ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 8:54am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1460 "2022-03-30T08:54:44Z")
Life in China [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/3/6/369f2c35466ff4fcb47787870d8281dd3aca3716.jpeg "Where are the jobs? How the unemployment crisis is affecting life in China") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_uxnLclrHI) ---
**Author:** ![Lee\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Lee\_Shore](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Lee_Shore)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 9:08am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1461 "2022-03-30T09:08:21Z")
While the focus is on Russia/Ukraine/NATO… _"A [leaked draft security agreement](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/24/china-finalising-security-deal-with-solomon-islands-to-base-warships-in-the-pacific)_ _being negotiated between China and Solomon Islands has triggered alarm in the Pacific, including in Australia and New Zealand. The two neighbours are worried it could jeopardise regional stability, with China having the opportunity to base navy warships in the Pacific less than 2,000km off the Australian coast."_ > **[Solomon Islands prime minister says foreign criticism of China security deal...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/29/solomon-islands-prime-minister-says-foreign-criticism-of-china-security-deal-very-insulting)** > > Manasseh Sogavare says it is ‘utter nonsense’ that China’s presence is a threat to regional stability ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 10:38am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1462 "2022-03-30T10:38:50Z")
So last time the country decended into civil war Australia went over the help but we cleary didnt bribe enough. I see a Japanese model here, strip resources and then off to the next 3rd world island ---
**Author:** ![Hogsnort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@Hogsnort](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hogsnort)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1463 "2022-03-30T18:24:42Z")
In the Solomon Islands both Australia and New Zealand sent troops and police to restore order at the request of the Solomon Government. The riots destroyed business properties in Honiara, many belonging to Chinese. This is not the first time it has happened and it has also happened in Tonga. It has been revealed that large sums of money have been paid to the Solomon Islands Prime Minister and other members of Parliament by the Chinese. I doubt that Yuan was the currency used. Up until now order has been restored by police and a lightly armoured patrol boat. Why do the Chinese think it requires a guided missile destroyer or two? ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1464 "2022-05-18T00:06:37Z")
Perhaps its all about getting a foerign power to help you stay in power > **[White House finally awakens to PRC capture of Solomon Islands - The Sunday...](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2022/04/18/white-house-awakens-prc-solomon-islands/)** > > Free and fair election could result in a new government that not only abrogates the security deal but switches back to Taiwan. That would be a serious loss of face for Xi Jinping, giving ammunition to his domestic enemies, and could lead to a... "To understand why, it helps to think of this not as a security deal between China and Solomon Islands, but between the Chinese Communist Party and the deeply unpopular and [corrupt](https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/china-buys-foreign-politicians-case-study) Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare. The provisions in the draft deal for China to provide assistance in “maintaining social order” are seen as Sogavare being able to call on the PLA to suppress anyone who stands in his—or his CCP patron’s—way. A main target is the country’s most populous province, Malaita. When Sogavare unilaterally switched Solomons from Taiwan to China in 2019, the Government of Malaita and the Malaita High Council of Chiefs issued the Auki Communiqué. In part, it stated the Malaita Provincial Government “strongly resolves to put in place a Moratorium on Business Licenses to new investors connected directly or indirectly with the Chinese Communist Party.” Celsus Irokwato Talifilu, adviser to Malaita Premier Daniel Suidani, recently [described](https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/solomon-islands-in-danger-of-becoming-a-puppet-state-of-china-20220329-p5a8rz.html) how he saw Chinese businesses operating in Solomons: “Our forests and people have been raped and pillaged by a logging monster that lives in China. While the legs and wings of the dragon are in Malaysia and the Philippines, we know where its home cave is. We’ve watched it bribe and corrupt countless leaders, and we know it will never stop.” Malaita’s Premier Suidani, later proved how serious he was about not engaging with the CCP. He fell ill and required medical treatment outside the country. Being an honest politician, he didn’t have the funds required for treatment in Australia. Sogavare’s government [stalled](https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/taiwan-needs-done-daniel-suidani-us) on providing him with support, saying it would be offered if he rescinded his objections to China’s activities in Malaita. He refused—effectively saying he’d rather die than take CCP money directly or indirectly. In the end, through the humanitarian interventions of Prof M.D. Nalapat in India and President Tsai of Taiwan, Premier Suidani received the treatment he needed in Taiwan. When he returned to Solomons, Sogavare’s proxies in the province tried to engineer a vote of no confidence to take him out. Widespread ground level support for the premier [thwarted](https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/solomon-islanders-beat-back-beijing-now) the attempt. But Sogavare and the CCP haven’t given up on taking out the irritant. And the people of Solomon know it." ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 12:09am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1465 "2022-05-18T00:09:00Z")
yes China just like Japan re the pacific > **[Logging ravaging the Solomon Islands’ forests](https://asiatimes.com/2019/05/logging-ravaging-the-solomon-islands-forests/)** > > The Solomon Islands is the biggest exporter, after Papua New Guinea, of round logs to China, where they are processed and sold as tropical hardwood products around the world. To sate this demand, l… ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1466 "2022-06-30T19:12:49Z")
Tomorrow is the 25th Anniversary of Hong Kong’s return to Chinese Sovereignty: [https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/hong-kong-china-xi-jinping-arrives-25-anniversary-british-handover-2782831](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/hong-kong-china-xi-jinping-arrives-25-anniversary-british-handover-2782831) The Jul 1 handover anniversary in Hong Kong has traditionally been marked by tens of thousands taking to the streets in peaceful rallies every year, but this year it will be a scaled down affair with strict Covid-19 restrictions still in place. > [@](#): > > Hong Kong has an average of 1,500–2,000 positive COVID-19 cases daily. The social distancing measures would be[extended](https://hongkongfp.com/2022/06/27/covid-19-hong-kong-extends-social-distancing-rules-to-july-13-as-experts-call-for-border-restrictions-to-be-eased/) to July 14, which means that there won’t be any public celebration of the annual event. Source: > **[Hong Kong paints the city red for the 25th anniversary of its handover to China](https://globalvoices.org/2022/06/29/hong-kong-paints-the-city-red-for-the-25th-anniversary-of-its-handover-to-china/)** > > The city has been adorned with China’s national flags and Hong Kong’s regional flags, creating a sea of red. Chinese President Xi Jinping is expected to attend the grand celebrations PS\> I can’t find anything about who will represent the British Government at the official ceremony.(??) ---
**Author:** ![Hogsnort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@Hogsnort](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hogsnort)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1467 "2022-06-30T20:51:10Z")
It was never British was it. Revisionist history is being written as we speak. The Cantonese language is being suppressed and the Museum of History in Chatham Road South is open but some areas are closed due to Covid. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1468 "2022-07-11T11:19:14Z")
Big problems in little China As most know the biggest threat to the commie party are the Chinese in China This has been going on for weeks in regional banks, scary part is it seems to be growing. I would have thought he central gov would just fill in the funding asap but? [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/a/7/a714af5aecbff8ff85e7ad519bb007e4574e9add.jpeg "China Bank Run Escalates, CCP Sends Mob to Beat & Round Up Protesters") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvf6NsZpo0E) ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 12:55pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1469 "2022-07-11T12:55:00Z")
on top of this… all self inflicted of course [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/3/3/333216f549768270c7891755e7bc651801959d41.jpeg "Zhengzhou Protests Turn Violent | Shanghai & Lockdowns | Chinese Economy") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_tpeAUSAZ4) ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1470 "2022-08-27T13:49:01Z")
the worlds biggest threat today… [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/f/b/fbbc7d48876a7724065ff97ede17a1f39a318a0d.jpeg "‘Totally exposed’: Chinese ambassador grilled during Press Club address") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iOMdCCDv-I) ---
**Author:** ![spowiednick](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/spowiednick/32/35668_2.png) [@spowiednick](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/spowiednick)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/1471 "2022-09-09T15:04:48Z")
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