# Understanding China **URL:** \ **Category:** Scuttlebutt\ **Created:** [May 25, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005 "2017-05-25T13:07:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Hawespiper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@Hawespiper](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hawespiper)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/706 "2018-11-07T00:56:37Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > take a trip to China I’m sure I’d find a bunch of ordinary, down to earth, Tsingtao drinking good ol boys and that would have absolutely zero impact on my disdain for the powers that be over there. Nor would it dampen my absolute glee that we finally have a president who is trying to undo the 70 years of “progress” that has resulted the gutting of America’s industry, job base, and middle class. Time will tell if he gets the help he needs or not (starting with what happens today). ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/707 "2018-11-07T12:56:21Z")
It appears that he got part of what he wanted, but he may not be able to gut the rest of the world’s industry to fulfil a campaign promise and nationalistic agenda. Your perception that people in China has absolutely no power over policy is as misguided as your other fascist ideas. They may not practise a western type of democracy, but public opinion is still very important to the leaders of China. ---
**Author:** ![Tellarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@Tellarian](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tellarian)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/708 "2018-11-07T13:06:37Z")
CNCo have returned to Shanghai > **[China Navigation returns to its roots in Shanghai -](https://splash247.com/china-navigation-returns-to-its-roots-in-shanghai/)** > > Returning to its roots the Swire-owned China Navigation Company (CNCo) opened its China headquarters officially in Shanghai earlier this week, marking a significant return to its birthplace 147 years ago. CNCo – the oldest part of the Swire Group –... ---
**Author:** ![Hawespiper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@Hawespiper](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hawespiper)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/709 "2018-11-07T22:18:15Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > public opinion is still very important to the leaders of China. This is a joke right? You are willing to publicly embarrass yourself to claim on an open forum that the Chinese people are free to express their opinions critical to the Chinese government??? ---
**Author:** ![Hawespiper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@Hawespiper](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hawespiper)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/710 "2018-11-07T22:28:37Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > Your perception that people in China has absolutely no power over policy is as misguided as your other fascist ideas. This is the first time I’ve ever been called fascist so I looked it up to see exactly what that entails. Per Wikipedia: Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy. Now ask yourself which one of your favorite countries this best describes? I wasn’t sure if I was reading facisim’s entry or China’s. The more propaganda you spout while completely ignoring the stories of oppression of its own people which are right in front of your face (and then have the audacity to call that oppression “good nationalism”), the more you reveal about yourself. This thread should be entitled 'Understanding China and it’s foreign apologist shills" because it is important to understand the danger of both. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/711 "2018-11-07T22:47:25Z")
Maybe you should expand your reading, listening and viewing habits a bit to include a bit more than just Breitbart, Alex Jones and Fox News? I can recommend The Economist, BBC World News and Al Jazeera, all of which should be available in the US for those who wants to read, hear, see and learn something different from the normal fare on US media. ---
**Author:** ![DamnYankee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/damnyankee/32/514_2.png) [@DamnYankee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/DamnYankee)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/712 "2018-11-07T23:28:17Z")
I’ve subscribed to the economist for years. They do not take an easy view on China either. If the article is purely business driven then they stick to the intent of the story and don’t editorialize, but social issues get their due in other places. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/713 "2018-11-07T23:38:48Z")
I did not say that The Economist, or any of the other news media I recommended are easy on China, or on anybody else, nor would I want them to be. I want honest reporting, not biased propaganda and lies. At the same time I watch and read some of that to, to have an idea what the “opponents” are likely to be fed. (Yes, even Alex Jones and Fox News) PS\> I have had my fill of lies while watching the mid-term election in USA this last couple of months. Do I have to spell out who is lair-in-chief?? ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 7:33am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/714 "2018-11-08T07:33:04Z")
yes China very keen to hear your opinion then when its disagrees with theirs they act > **[Re-education camps in China's 'no-rights zone' for Muslims | Xinjiang Explainer...](https://supchina.com/2018/08/22/xinjiang-explainer-chinas-reeducation-camps-for-a-million-muslims/)** > > Adem yoq — “Everybody’s gone.” A human rights atrocity is unfolding in western China, where the “entire culture” of Uyghur Muslims is being criminalized and an all-seeing totalitarian police state has been established. Uyghurs abroad are being... ---
**Author:** ![Tellarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@Tellarian](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tellarian)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 9:30am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/715 "2018-11-09T09:30:17Z")
China takes another pawn, woll a military base follow to counter India? > **[China and Myanmar move ahead with Kyaukpyu port development -](https://splash247.com/china-and-myanmar-move-ahead-with-kyaukpyu-port-development/)** > > China and Myanmar finally signed an agreement on Thursday to proceed with a slimmed down port project at Kyaukpyu on the Bay of Bengal. China’s Citic Group will develop the port with Beijing funding 70% of the development as Myanmar finds itself at... ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/716 "2018-11-09T15:02:11Z")
Yes it could be, especially if they are being provoked to take such military steps for protection of their supply routes directly from the Bay of Bengal to their SW provinces, which is further from the Chinese coast than from the Arakan Coast. BTW; My last job in Myanmar was in connection with construction of a gas field off Kyaukpyu that is now supplying gas to China via pipeline. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/717 "2018-11-13T00:18:38Z")
can you tell me which navy is trying to blockade China’s supply line, or is it just a made up story? Barrage balloons with machine guns to protect the air routes coming soon no doubt? ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/718 "2018-11-13T13:03:26Z")
CNCo is also doing their bit for the environment: > **[China Navigation moves towards low carbon ships -](https://splash247.com/china-navigation-moves-towards-low-carbon-ships/)** > > China Navigation has signed a memorandum of understanding with Fiji’s University of the South Pacific (USP) to conduct feasibility studies for a new generation of ships for the Pacific region committed to low carbon sea transport. Under the MOU, the... Or at least planning to. ---
**Author:** ![Tellarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@Tellarian](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tellarian)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/719 "2018-11-13T13:19:23Z")
It makes sense to have sail powered low tech feeders for outlying islands. Actually slightly re-cycled news, Project Cerulean was launched a year ago, this from LR 17-09-17 China Navigation explores low-tech sustainable shipping solution in South Pacific islands SWIRE Group’s Singapore-based China Navigation Company is in the process of developing and testing a small wind-powered cargo vessel that will help it to serve island communities in the South Pacific. Known as “Project Cerulean”, the sustainable shipping initiative aims to make the transition to low-carbon sea transportation. The vessel’s design was based on the drua, a traditional doublehulled sailing vessel used by inhabitants of the South Pacific islands. The 250 dwt prototype vessel measures 35 m in length, has an 8 m beam, and can sail at a speed of 12 knots. It has capacity to carry about 3 teu, or 70 tonnes of cargo, or 12-20 persons. It is equipped with a 1 megawatt hour battery powered by solar panels. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/720 "2018-11-13T17:49:18Z")
At the moment there are no active shooting war or blockade between any of the world’s major power, but they are all planning for the possibility that it could happen. So is China. If they did not plan and train for that possibility, what would be the justification for the Trns. of $$ spent every year on maintaining armies, navies and air forces around the world?? Not to mention manufacturing more and deadlier weapons to keep the capitalists happy and fat. PS\> And it is all in the name of DEFENCE. If nobody is preparing to attack, why do we need defence?? ---
**Author:** ![Urs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/958977/32.png) [@Urs](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Urs)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 10:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/721 "2018-11-13T22:30:47Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > PS\> And it is all in the name of DEFENCE. If nobody is preparing to attack, why do we need defence?? Like the European countries during the early phases of WWII? Nobody had defense plans, or was otherwise prepared against a German attack, beside Switzerland. The Swiss have neither coal, nor oil, nor any valuable ores in their soil; they were not even able to feed their own people. The only valuable things they had for the Germans were the roads and the railroads over or through the Alps, between Germany and Italy, between northern Europe and the Mediterranean countries. It is always expensive for an army to occupy a mountainous country; but with the necessary German energy, the Swiss army would have been no match. However, the Swiss had mined all their bridges, at the frontier and inland, and all their railroad tunnels, in the pre-alpine hills and through the Alps. This was no secret, and the Germans knew that the Swiss would use these explosives. What could have been the sense of occupying Switzerland with her only valuables destroyed? Nobody ever thought (beside the Japanese dreamers in the early 1900s) to occupy China, it is simply too huge. Nevertheless, China’s much smaller neighbors would be wise to prepare… ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/722 "2018-11-13T23:35:02Z")
Imagine all the chinese property that could be seized around the world, if they did start a war would make a few rich chinese angry same issue with Russia, which keeps them in check ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/723 "2018-11-14T17:09:19Z")
Maybe I should have put an emoji behind there, but are there any for “sarcastic”? What I meant is that everybody talk about DEFENCE Forces, DEFENCE Department, DEFENCE Industry etc. Nobody use the term ATTACK Forces, WAR Department, War Profiteers, or other aggressive terms. So, if nobody is ATTACKING, why have DEFENCE?? (Sarcasm) I know that in the real world there are war planners, war mongers and all kinds of other rascals, sitting safely in their gilded towers, planning how to end all life on earth. But it is not as if that is something that is particular to any one nation. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/724 "2018-11-15T01:39:39Z")
I got it, yes, true the military machine is a great technology boost to your country assuming you are making it and not buying it ( or stealing it in the case of China) It helps lots of industries Useful in natural disasters and other rescues etc The British might need them to keep the foreigners out of their fishing grounds after March 2019? ---
**Author:** ![DamnYankee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/damnyankee/32/514_2.png) [@DamnYankee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/DamnYankee)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2018, 2:34am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/725 "2018-11-15T02:34:05Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > So, if nobody is ATTACKING, why have DEFENCE?? (Sarcasm) The US had a department of war until shortly after WWII when it became the department of defense. Probably more palletable to the public to ramp up the ‘defense’ spending with no war besides a cold one. [Previous page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005.md?page=35) [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005.md?page=37)