# Understanding China **URL:** \ **Category:** Scuttlebutt\ **Created:** [May 25, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005 "2017-05-25T13:07:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Tellarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@Tellarian](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tellarian)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/686 "2018-10-19T12:35:05Z")
Meanwhile BRI continues… [https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/china-gains-control-of-israeli-ports/](https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/china-gains-control-of-israeli-ports/) ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 10:43am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/687 "2018-10-21T10:43:40Z")
And Japan get on board the BRI wagon, literally: [https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/japan-firms-try-out-chinas-belt-and-road-cargo-transport-to-europe/](https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/japan-firms-try-out-chinas-belt-and-road-cargo-transport-to-europe/) ---
**Author:** ![Tellarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@Tellarian](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tellarian)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 12:37pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/688 "2018-10-24T12:37:47Z")
China had walls before Trump, now they are building them internally… > **[China's hidden camps - BBC News](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps)** > > What's happened to the vanished Uighurs of Xinjiang? ---
**Author:** ![Hawespiper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@Hawespiper](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hawespiper)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/689 "2018-10-25T09:40:26Z")
> [@Tellarian](#): > > China had walls before Trump no, no…our resident communist/globalist shill covered this earlier when he informed us about the “good kind” of nationalism as displayed by China. This is as opposed to the xenophobic and racist kind of nationalism that is represented by the MAGA platform. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/690 "2018-10-25T12:26:06Z")
The nationalistic pride and patriotism shown by the Chinese people does not involve the xenophobic and racist elements that is seen among the extreme right mob in USA. They are proud of what China has accomplice in the last 30 years and of Chinese history back millenniums, but they are not aggressive against other races, or nationalities. Not that there aren’t ANY racism at all In China. Discrimination, even against people from other regions of China, is rampant however, but it does not involve violence against people of other races, or religion. What is happening in Xinjiang is an example of the Islamophobia that is spreading around the world, casting all Muslims as potentiate terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/691 "2018-11-02T15:52:00Z")
we have zero technology so we must keep stealing others… > **[Chinese spies charged in US with trying to steal jet engine secrets](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/31/chinese-spies-charged-in-us-with-trying-to-steal-jet-engine-secrets)** > > Two military intelligence officers and six hackers allegedly tried to access systems of aerospace companies ---
**Author:** ![Hawespiper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@Hawespiper](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hawespiper)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/692 "2018-11-02T23:53:25Z")
> [@powerabout](#): > > we have zero technology so we must keep stealing others… Keep preaching it brother… The more articles like the one you posted, or this one: > **[U.S. Accuses Chinese Firm, Partner of Stealing Trade Secrets From Micron](https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-accuses-two-firms-of-stealing-trade-secrets-from-micron-technology-1541093537)** > > The Justice Department unsealed charges Thursday against a Chinese state-owned firm and its Taiwan partner for allegedly stealing trade secrets from the U.S.’s largest memory-chip maker, Micron Technology. THEN maybe people will truly understand China as the title of this thread suggests. They are unabashedly pro China and therefore by definition, anti everybody else that doesn’t further that goal. The hypocrisy flowing from our resident globalist pro China shill is glaring. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/693 "2018-11-04T16:28:54Z")
You should maybe take a trip or two to China to learn a thing or two about this VERY large and diverse country. And I don’t mean the touristy thing, with a visit to the restored part of the Great Wall and a few selfies at Tian An Men Square, with the Great Hall of the People and the portrait of Mao Tse Tung in the background to prove you have been there, before heading off to the next country on a “5 country in 10-day Asian tour”. Attending dinners with ordinary Chinese, with free flow of Tsingtao Beer and Mai Tai and you’ll find that they are very different from the oppressed people the western media and the US propaganda machine would like you to believe them to be. I have had some lively discussions with ordinary Chinese, even in sober condition. They are not afraid to discuss political subject, or to voice critical opinions about things in China. That includes the Party Commissars on the many Chinese heavy lift ships I have attended over the years, either as MWS, or as COSCO’s Superintendent/Loadmaster. But they are not overly impressed with the west, incl. USA, and their so called “freedom”. It is more important to have a full stomach every day than to be able to call your leaders idiots, which would be totally against Kung Fu Tze’s teaching and good manners anyhow, China today and the China I visited in the 1960’s and 1970’s are VERY different. Every time I go there it has changed some more. Now it is exactly 3 years since my last visit, so I expect big changes if and when I get to go there again. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 2:01am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/694 "2018-11-05T02:01:23Z")
the average person and the government are usually 2 vastly different things as a well traveled person like you would appreciate. Government policy inside and outside can and often is 2 vastly different things. did/do the locals have a choice in China, North Korea, Germany under Hitler, etc etc. Governments job is to stay in power at any cost in these countries ---
**Author:** ![Hawespiper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@Hawespiper](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hawespiper)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/695 "2018-11-05T03:23:47Z")
> [@powerabout](#): > > the average person and the government are usually 2 vastly different things Exactly. My beef with China has absolutely nothing to do with the average Tsingtao drinking Chinaman. Because, honestly, what that person feels or thinks is irrelevant. He and his like minded countrymen are, 1. not free to express any contrarian views (freedom of speech), 2. unable to defend themselves or their views against their tyrannical government (no right to bear arms), 3. Not free to elect someone else who represents their views (no free and open elections/Xi self appointed leader for life). So, if it is true that: > [@ombugge](#): > > they are not overly impressed with the west, incl. USA, and their so called “freedom”. Then they deserve the oppressive 1st world s\*ithole country they have. On second thought, if this is the most pressing concern they have: > [@ombugge](#): > > It is more important to have a full stomach every day Then it’s hard to apply a 1st world designation. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 4:47am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/696 "2018-11-05T04:47:38Z")
its not the 250million on the coast its the 900 million that didnt get the job in the city or factory that havent moved with the rest of china, thats where any issues might start. China already talking about the repatriation of labourers in the cities and limiting city population. Was in the paper when I was in Shanghai a few months ago ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/697 "2018-11-05T11:48:33Z")
> [@Hawespiper](#): > > Then it’s hard to apply a 1st world designation. China does NOT claim to be a 1st world country. On the contrary, they claim to be “Developing country”, which is the beef many western government have with them. The worlds 2nd largest economy yet their GDP per capita is far from being in the top 10 in the world. Come to think of it; USA, the largest economy and self-proclaimed richest country in the world, is NOT on that list either. > [@powerabout](#): > > as a well traveled person like you would appreciate. I travelled the world with my eyes open and without pre-perceived opinions about other people and countries. ---
**Author:** ![Tellarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@Tellarian](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tellarian)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/698 "2018-11-05T13:54:09Z")
China strategically moving into renewables: [http://www.xindemarinenews.com/en/lng&offshore/2018/1022/7906.html](http://www.xindemarinenews.com/en/lng&offshore/2018/1022/7906.html) ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/699 "2018-11-05T13:55:00Z")
well yes, it was all preconceived before they opened the door and then we bought their stuff and then stood back and watched. Since then all our comments are the reality of how the gov operates ---
**Author:** ![DamnYankee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/damnyankee/32/514_2.png) [@DamnYankee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/DamnYankee)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/700 "2018-11-05T13:58:08Z")
> [@ombugge](#): > > I travelled the world with my eyes open and without pre-perceived opinions about other people and countries. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! And then what? Retired to Norway to do the complete opposite? Come on… ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/701 "2018-11-05T17:26:30Z")
Not agreeing with your opinions and world view doesn’t mean I have closed my eyes or mind since retiring. I’m as open to honest opinions and intelligent arguments as ever, but I DO NOT get influenced by propaganda and untruths from any side. Looking at the present status of truth in US politics doesn’t exactly instil any confidence in US world leadership. ---
**Author:** ![Tupsis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9a140/32.png) [@Tupsis](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tupsis)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/702 "2018-11-06T14:38:57Z")
[https://new.abb.com/news/detail/10000/chinas-first-home-built-icebreaker-carving-a-polar-niche](https://new.abb.com/news/detail/10000/chinas-first-home-built-icebreaker-carving-a-polar-niche) How’s that new USCG icebreaker coming along? :3 ---
**Author:** ![Hawespiper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ebca7d/32.png) [@Hawespiper](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hawespiper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/703 "2018-11-06T18:20:27Z")
> [@Tupsis](#): > > How’s that new USCG icebreaker coming along? :3 Slowly but surely… Takes a little longer in non 3rd world sh\*thole countries without the benefit of laborers content with barely feeding themselves, no worker protections, and those pesky environmental regulations… ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/704 "2018-11-06T19:58:14Z")
Like I said, you should take a trip to China with eyes and mind open. ---
**Author:** ![Tupsis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9a140/32.png) [@Tupsis](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tupsis)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005/705 "2018-11-06T20:28:34Z")
My remark was more directed towards the administration rather than American shipbuilders. Is it really so difficult to get a new one built when the old one is falling apart and spends more time in a dry dock than on mission… [Previous page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005.md?page=34) [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/understanding-china/45005.md?page=36)