# Toward IMO's 2050 goal **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [May 3, 2021, 11:46am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362 "2021-05-03T11:46:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 11:46am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/1 "2021-05-03T11:46:36Z")
More details on this project: > **[Höegh Autoliners: Launching The Most Environmentally Friendly Car Carrier...](https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/hoegh-autoliners-launching-the-most-environmentally-friendly-car-carrier-ever-built/)** ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2021, 11:54am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/2 "2021-05-03T11:54:25Z")
oh the irony… Like a diesel truck delivering electric cars to the dealer ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/3 "2021-05-07T13:59:35Z")
> **[CO2 emission rules should target fleets not individual ships: Danish Shipping...](https://splash247.com/co2-emission-rules-should-target-fleets-not-individual-ships-danish-shipping/)** > > The roadmap for reducing CO2 emissions from shipping could be best achieved by choosing a fleet-based approach to efficiency requirements rather than at the individual vessel level. This is the main conclusion of a new analysis commissioned by Danish... ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 9:28am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/4 "2021-05-08T09:28:25Z")
Will finance acrobats and hedge fund lions abandon ship(ing) in droves?: > **[Shipping Emission Rules to Gradually Tighten, Weakening Profits | Hellenic...](https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/shipping-emission-rules-to-gradually-tighten-weakening-profits/)** Not a bad thing if it leave real shipping people to run the show. Butt with there be enough funds available to renew the fleet to meet the IMO 2050 goal? ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 1:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/5 "2021-05-08T13:04:26Z")
they moved into the PSV and AHTS market for a while, look where that is now ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 8:05pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/6 "2021-05-15T20:05:27Z")
> **[ESG rules, rather than IMO regulations, will nudge shipping to net zero |...](https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/esg-rules-rather-than-imo-regulations-will-nudge-shipping-to-net-zero/)** PS\> **ESG criteria** refer to environmental, social and corporate governance factors that are taken into account when investing in a company. Although their origin dates back several decades, they have become a reference for socially responsible investing in recent years. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 9:26am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/7 "2021-05-19T09:26:47Z")
IEA is pessimistic: > **[IEA forecasts shipping will fall short in 2050 zero emissions rush - Splash247](https://splash247.com/iea-forecasts-shipping-will-fall-short-in-2050-zero-emissions-rush/)** > > All funding for new oil, gas and coal supply projects must stop today if the world is to reach net zero emissions by mid-century, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said yesterday in a stark report on the urgent need to shift away from fossil... While others are trying to speed up the process: > **[Netherlands and OECD make the case for more swift adoption of longer term...](https://splash247.com/netherlands-and-oecd-make-the-case-for-more-swift-adoption-of-longer-term-emissions-regulations/)** > > The International Maritime Organization-convened Marine Environment Protection Committee (MEPC) meets virtually next month for what promises to be a more packed schedule than normal. The primary goal is to thrash out once and for all the short-term... Who is going to be proven right??? Somebody has to take the lead to reach the 2050 goal and it ain’t gona be any Government: > **[Maersk leads crusade to decarbonise world shipping by 2050](https://www.seanews.com.tr/maersk-leads-crusade-to-decarbonise-world-shipping-by-2050/189800/)** > > MAJOR maritime concerns have joined forces to assess the technical, financial and environmental issues of converting existing vessels to zero carbon fuels as part of a Maersk-led transition to a global zero carbon fleet by 2050 ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 11:50am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/8 "2021-05-27T11:50:17Z")
EU is stepping up to the plate: > **[EU to push transport sector to rapidly adopt greater use of renewables -...](https://splash247.com/eu-to-push-transport-sector-to-rapidly-adopt-greater-use-of-renewables/)** > > The European Union had laid out more stringent targets for the transport sector, including shipping. With clean energy transition picking up pace and speed, Europe is at a crossroads when it comes to the energy sector, EU energy commissioner Kadri... > [@](#): > > With recent events in the [oil and gas sector](https://splash247.com/shell-ordered-by-dutch-court-to-reduce-co2-emissions-by-45/), it is becoming increasingly obvious that shipping will also need to step up its zero carbon transition game. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/9 "2021-05-27T14:32:25Z")
What are we going to do once we actually get to carbon neutral or even negative and the planets temp keeps going up? Same thing when we start to get planet cooling? ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/10 "2021-05-27T16:04:10Z")
> [@powerabout](#): > > What are we going to do once we actually get to carbon neutral I don’t know about you, but I’ll likely be looong gone by then, so no issue. > [@powerabout](#): > > or even negative and the planets temp keeps going up? I believe the prediction is that it will take a couple of generation from carbon neutrality until world temperature flatten out and even longer before it starts to fall, so “see above”. PS\> I’m sure there will be more than enough for you to worry about in the meantime, ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 1:09am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/11 "2021-05-28T01:09:03Z")
its a guess that reducing the carbon output will lower the temp ---
**Author:** ![ccairoli](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ccairoli/32/656_2.png) [@ccairoli](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ccairoli)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 7:08am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/12 "2021-05-28T07:08:29Z")
Not according to science ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:29am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/13 "2021-05-28T10:29:56Z")
Even if you don’t believe that it is man made, I think you realize that the earth’s average temperature is warming.(??) (We MAY even reach 1.5C above pre-industrial level this year) It is not happening at the same rate everywhere (refr. your broken thermometer somewhere in Oz). In the Arctic the warming is happening much faster than average, causing sea ice, glaciers and permafrost to melt, causing all kinds of problems: > **[More than 60% of Russian territory is permafrost. Now it is melting](https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/climate-crisis/2021/05/more-60-russian-territory-permafrost-now-it-melting)** > > Climate change is about to dramatically change the Russian North. The country is now starting the building of a new permafrost monitoring system. But don’t worry, the Arctic Counsil has been discussing it in their meeting in Reykjavik. (Or maybe all that “hot air” will speed up the Arctic melting??) Time you Aussies realize that relying on export of coal, LNG and iron ore to China is not sustainable. You should start to cover some of your empty dry hot land with solar cells and lay that cable to Singapore so you can keep the Singaporeans cool. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:52am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/14 "2021-05-28T10:52:56Z")
Now back to IMO and the 2050 goal. Some big names in shipping thinks things are going too slow: > **[Søren Skou and Jan Dieleman stress urgent need for a carbon tax - Splash247](https://splash247.com/soren-skou-and-jan-dieleman-stress-urgent-need-for-a-carbon-tax/)** > > The World Economic Forum held a high-level debate on shipping’s decarbonisation yesterday featuring Soren Skou, CEO of AP Moller Maersk, Ley Hoon Quah, CEO, Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore (MPA) and Jan Dieleman, head of ocean transportation... And a more serious view on IMO and it’s 2050 goal: > **[Postscript to the Black Trail documentary - Splash247](https://splash247.com/postscript-to-the-black-trail-documentary/)** > > Kitack Lim drives a Kia, and other revelations. Alisdair Pettigrew, managing director of communications consultancy BLUE, on the takeaways from this week’s most watched shipping documentary. So we all now know. Shipping’s biggest secret is out. Who... ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 7:54am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/15 "2021-05-30T07:54:19Z")
But my point regardless of the fact that we pollute too much and are adding carbon to the atmosphere is that the science is guesswork that reducing that will reduce or hold the worlds temp. The world has been hotter and had lots more carbon in the atmosphere before. The Wuhan wog has caused the carbon output to massively drop and where’s the science measuring that? > **[Has the COVID-19 lockdown changed Earth’s climate? – Physics World](https://physicsworld.com/a/has-the-covid-19-lockdown-changed-earths-climate/)** > > Dramatic drops in air pollution offer scientists a rare opportunity to study its links with climate and weather. But as Kate Ravilious discovers, it's a complicated connection “The most direct effect of reduced particle pollution on the weather will be on increasing the sunlight that can warm the surface, rather than being absorbed higher up in the atmosphere or reflected back to space,” says [Richard Allan](http://www.met.reading.ac.uk/~sgs02rpa/), a climate scientist at the [University of Reading](https://research.reading.ac.uk/meteorology/) in the UK. Earlier this year Allan and his colleagues showed that changes in air quality in recent decades have noticeably increased the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth’s surface ([_Nature Geoscience_ **13** 110](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0528-y)). Their analysis of solar radiation measurements from the last 40 years revealed that grimy skies over Europe through the 1980s blocked sunlight and made it dimmer at ground level. But the implementation of air-pollution regulations from the late-1980s had a significant brightening effect across Europe. China has followed a similar path but had to wait until around 2005 for its atmospheric clean-up and the accompanying brighter skies. LOL are we warming up because we pollute less? ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 10:43am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/16 "2021-05-30T10:43:23Z")
> [@powerabout](#): > > science is guesswork Isn’t that a contradiction in terms?? ---
**Author:** ![Jughead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jughead/32/4257_2.png) [@Jughead](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jughead)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 11:09am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/17 "2021-05-30T11:09:51Z")
No. The science being discussed here is in dispute - lots of ‘science’ is. The resolution of that dispute should be done scientifically but it will most probably be attempted by politics, enviro-activism, disinformation and everything but science. In my view it’s already been resolved well enough. The world will heat and cool naturally and the puny, stupid things humans do will have a much lower effect - at staggering cost. We should instead resolve much more pressing human issues. Remember I mentioned malaria. Start there if you like. It’s easier than changing the climate. Just spray with DDT. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 11:30am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/18 "2021-05-30T11:30:49Z")
your out of context quote there doesnt support my post. the science is not science is what I am saying as its a prediction on the future with no basis in history ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 11:31am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/19 "2021-05-30T11:31:35Z")
> [@Jughead](#): > > The science being discussed here is in dispute Yes, but by some jugheads that is powering about, not by scientists. ---
**Author:** ![powerabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@powerabout](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/powerabout)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 11:36am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362/20 "2021-05-30T11:36:32Z")
the science of the future is a prediction, science has got plenty wrong when they attempt to predict the future via modelling which this is 100% [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/toward-imos-2050-goal/59362.md?page=2)