# Time requirement for upgrade? **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [July 15, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931 "2012-07-15T17:42:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Seapistol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Seapistol](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Seapistol)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/1 "2012-07-15T17:42:39Z")
Does anyone know the time and tonnage required to go from 1600t/Master to 3rd Mate Unlimited? Are there any loopholes? ---
**Author:** ![Swampfox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@Swampfox](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Swampfox)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/2 "2012-07-15T18:57:14Z")
Try this: [http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/checklists/MCP-FM-NMC5-19%203rd%20Mate%20AGT.pdf?list1=%2Fnmc%2Fchecklists%2FMCP-FM-NMC5-19+3rd+Mate+AGT.pdf&B1=GO!](http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/checklists/MCP-FM-NMC5-19%203rd%20Mate%20AGT.pdf?list1=%2Fnmc%2Fchecklists%2FMCP-FM-NMC5-19+3rd+Mate+AGT.pdf&B1=GO%21) ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 11:00pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/3 "2012-07-15T23:00:41Z")
> [@"jkemble"](#): > > Does anyone know the time and tonnage required to go from 1600t/Master to 3rd Mate Unlimited? Are there any loopholes? That has been discussed extensively on here. The first question is easy enough to answer just by going to the cfr and looking under third mate… ---
**Author:** ![Seapistol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Seapistol](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Seapistol)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/4 "2012-07-15T23:26:07Z")
Thanks to both you guys. Have looked at CFR’s previously but have been trying to find a policy letter that has said something completely different. Will get back to you if i find it ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 12:02am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/5 "2012-07-16T00:02:52Z")
> [@"jkemble"](#): > > Thanks to both you guys. Have looked at CFR’s previously but have been trying to find a policy letter that has said something completely different. Will get back to you if i find it What did this policy letter say? ---
**Author:** ![KPEngineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4491bb/32.png) [@KPEngineer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/KPEngineer)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 7:19am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/6 "2012-07-16T07:19:06Z")
[QUOTE=jkemble;74774]Thanks to both you guys. Have looked at CFR’s previously but have been trying to find a policy letter that has said something completely different. Will get back to you if i find it[/QUOTE]Good luck on that, Policy can’t trump Regulations. I doubt you will find a policy letter that states something “completely different” from the CFR. Even if you do, the NMC is going to go by the CFR and ignore your policy letter. Go ahead, ask for reconsideration … you have no basis for it, but knock yourself out. Here’s an idea … accept that your career choices put limitations on the license you are able to achieve and get on with your life. ---
**Author:** ![jdcavo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jdcavo/32/108_2.png) [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 9:14am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/7 "2012-07-16T09:14:08Z")
[QUOTE=jkemble;74740]Does anyone know the time and tonnage required to go from 1600t/Master to 3rd Mate Unlimited? Are there any loopholes?[/QUOTE] I know. See 46 CFR 11.407. It’s three years of total service on vessels over 200 GRT, 6 months must be as AB. ---
**Author:** ![Capnklump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/73ab20/32.png) [@Capnklump](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capnklump)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 9:28am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/8 "2012-07-16T09:28:22Z")
> [@"jdcavo"](#): > > I know. > > See 46 CFR 11.407. It’s three years of total service on vessels over 200 GRT, 6 months must be as AB. I was under the impression that 1/2 of that time needen to be on vessels over 1600grt if you wanted to forego the tonnage limitation. ---
**Author:** ![Capnklump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/73ab20/32.png) [@Capnklump](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capnklump)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 9:30am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/9 "2012-07-16T09:30:00Z")
> [@"Capnklump"](#): > > I was under the impression that 1/2 of that time needen to be on vessels over 1600grt if you wanted to forego the tonnage limitation. “needed”… Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 9:51am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/10 "2012-07-16T09:51:31Z")
> [@"jdcavo"](#): > > I know. > > See 46 CFR 11.407. It’s three years of total service on vessels over 200 GRT, 6 months must be as AB. Or one year as master of vessels over 200grt while holding a 1600ton master. You will be subject to a tonnage limitations for not having time over 1600grt though. ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_phoenix/32/281_2.png) [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2012, 9:52am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/11 "2012-07-16T09:52:49Z")
> [@"Capnklump"](#): > > I was under the impression that 1/2 of that time needen to be on vessels over 1600grt if you wanted to forego the tonnage limitation. That is correct. ---
**Author:** ![tamugly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/85e7bf/32.png) [@tamugly](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tamugly)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 2:59am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/time-requirement-for-upgrade/7931/12 "2012-07-17T02:59:29Z")
This seems to be a weak part on the cg. I had a few people on past vessels have problems with it. Some got it some didn’t.