# The Navy may not buy any more Ford-class supercarriers, acting Navy secretary says **URL:** \ **Category:** Maritime News\ **Created:** [March 10, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542 "2020-03-10T18:31:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kennebec\_Captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kennebec_captain/32/13_2.png) [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/1 "2020-03-10T18:31:54Z")
> **[The Navy may not buy any more Ford-class supercarriers, acting Navy secretary...](https://www.businessinsider.com/navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-aircraft-carriers-2020-3)** > > "I don't know if we're going to buy any more of that type," he said, adding that the Navy is "certainly thinking about possible other classes." ---
**Author:** ![dbeierl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dbeierl/32/11833_2.png) [@dbeierl](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/dbeierl)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/2 "2020-03-10T18:39:57Z")
Dunno whether to laugh or cry. ---
**Author:** ![catherder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@catherder](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/catherder)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:59am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/3 "2020-03-11T02:59:16Z")
Gee I wonder why ---
**Author:** ![dbeierl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dbeierl/32/11833_2.png) [@dbeierl](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/dbeierl)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/4 "2020-03-11T03:13:29Z")
I don’t think we’re planning any more Zumwalts either. I guess Zumwalts and Fords weren’t “transformational” enough for us. If we took away those lads’ PowerPoints maybe they’d get back to designing ships instead of philosophical statements. ---
**Author:** ![mixednuts](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/mixednuts/32/11999_2.png) [@mixednuts](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/mixednuts)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 5:37am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/5 "2020-03-11T05:37:25Z")
I guess they could try out the Chevy Class. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Tar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/jolly_tar/32/1914_2.png) [@Jolly\_Tar](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jolly_Tar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 10:47am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/6 "2020-03-11T10:47:50Z")
CORRECT. ZUMWALTS were capped at three. USS ZUMWALT (DDG1000), USS Michael Monsoor (DDG1001) and USS LYNDON B. JOHNSON (DDG1002). ---
**Author:** ![Kennebec\_Captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kennebec_captain/32/13_2.png) [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 10:50am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/7 "2020-03-11T10:50:07Z")
Still plans to build three more: > The USS Gerald R. Ford, the first of the new class of flattops, is going through postdelivery tests and trials. The USS John F. Kennedy is 70% complete. Construction has started on the USS Enterprise, and material is reportedly being procured for the USS Doris Miller. > > The last vessel is expected to be delivered in 2032. ---
**Author:** ![Slick\_cam1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/slick_cam1/32/817_2.png) [@Slick\_cam1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Slick_cam1)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/8 "2020-03-11T14:59:06Z")
Yeh. Zumwalts were built with guns that only fire special ammo type that was cancelled due to cost overrruns so now the guns on all 3 are useless…makes you wanna cry. ---
**Author:** ![Slick\_cam1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/slick_cam1/32/817_2.png) [@Slick\_cam1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Slick_cam1)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/9 "2020-03-11T15:00:27Z")
And Ford still doesn’t work and Navy appears to think tolerances on elevators are so tight that they wouldn’t survive shock from battle, soooooo yeh what is this thing good for exactly? Also makes you wanna cry. ---
**Author:** ![Slick\_cam1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/slick_cam1/32/817_2.png) [@Slick\_cam1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Slick_cam1)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/10 "2020-03-11T15:02:16Z")
And the final insult is that the two LCS types are such trash that further production is being cancelled to just go back to building frigates. 😥 ---
**Author:** ![dbeierl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dbeierl/32/11833_2.png) [@dbeierl](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/dbeierl)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/11 "2020-03-11T15:12:24Z")
> [@Slick\_cam1](#): > > just go back to building frigates. 😥 Real frigates or glorified LCSs? ---
**Author:** ![Slick\_cam1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/slick_cam1/32/817_2.png) [@Slick\_cam1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Slick_cam1)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/12 "2020-03-11T15:26:32Z")
It might just be me but the industrial base and acquisition process for building our navy ships seems so bloated, inefficient and inept that I don’t know if we can even build a viable warship anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Kennebec\_Captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/kennebec_captain/32/13_2.png) [@Kennebec\_Captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Kennebec_Captain)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 3:57pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/13 "2020-03-11T15:57:06Z")
The GAO did a report about that in June 2018 > **[692331.pdf](https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/692331.pdf)** > > 2.20 MB - Navy Shipbuilding Past Performance Provides Valuable Lessons for Future Investments ---
**Author:** ![dbeierl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dbeierl/32/11833_2.png) [@dbeierl](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/dbeierl)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 2:57pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/14 "2020-04-23T14:57:27Z")
> **[Navy Applying USS Gerald Ford Advanced Weapons Elevators Lessons to Rest of...](https://news.usni.org/2020/04/22/navy-applying-uss-gerald-ford-advanced-weapons-elevators-lessons-to-rest-of-carrier-class)** > > Knowledge gained from building each advanced weapons elevator on USS Ford (CVN-78) is most valuable to crews building the same elevators on future ships. > Since each of the 11 weapons elevators on the Ford-class carriers is has a slightly different design and function, the Navy found the lessons learned from building one elevator on USS _Gerald R. Ford_ (CVN-78) don’t necessarily apply well to the other elevators on _Ford,_ Rear Adm. Jim Downey, the Navy’s Program Executive Officer for Aircraft Carriers, said during a media briefing Wednesday. Instead, it’s become clear that elevator-by-elevator lessons learned need to be tracked separately and used in training the crews that will work on these Advanced Weapons Elevators on the future _John F. Kennedy_ (CVN-79) and the rest of the carriers in the class. I don’t know what to say. I’ll just leave this here: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/3X/1/d/1d77769fe463eda7e9752573e2a0ad23d264d844.jpeg "The Pajama Game - Steam Heat") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQdyDlSie0Q) ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/the-navy-may-not-buy-any-more-ford-class-supercarriers-acting-navy-secretary-says/54542/15 "2020-04-23T16:12:35Z")
> [@Slick\_cam1](#): > > It might just be me but the industrial base and acquisition process for building our navy ships seems so bloated, inefficient and inept It appears to me to be an incredibly competent and highly efficient means of extracting cash from the American treasury without having to produce results or take any risks. What a business plan!