# Storm-tossed trawler: Hurricane Michael capsizes new factory trawler North Star **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [October 16, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497 "2018-10-16T22:25:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![dbeierl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dbeierl/32/11833_2.png) [@dbeierl](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/dbeierl)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/21 "2018-10-19T22:52:35Z")
Yes, any electronics with power on at the time has a _very_ short window of opportunity – could be seconds for modern dense boards. ---
**Author:** ![c.captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/c.captain/32/807_2.png) [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 5:11am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/22 "2018-10-20T05:11:31Z")
well from what I am seeing here, there is more machinery space flooding than I first thought > **[WeatherNation](https://www.facebook.com/WeatherNation/videos/1834576049972380/)** > > A huge ship became completely wrecked as it was overturned in high winds from what was Hurricane Michael. ---
**Author:** ![Urs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/958977/32.png) [@Urs](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Urs)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 12:17pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/23 "2018-10-20T12:17:02Z")
If electric cable connections are not specified for use under-water, the water tends to infiltrate the cables between core and insulation. Then, an invisible corrosion starts… ---
**Author:** ![tugsailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9adbd/32.png) [@tugsailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tugsailor)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/24 "2018-10-20T14:46:06Z")
I really have to wonder if at the end of the day, a Seattle fishing company wouldn’t be better off building, or at least finishing a hull, in the Pacific Northwest. A Gulf Coast yard may quote a few million dollars cheaper on a $50 million boat, but sometimes you get what you pay for. The extra costs of managing a major year long project 3500 miles from home are also substantial. ---
**Author:** ![c.captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/c.captain/32/807_2.png) [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/25 "2018-10-20T23:57:35Z")
> [@tugsailor](#): > > Seattle fishing company wouldn’t be better off building, or at least finishing a hull, in the Pacific Northwest. Sure but just don’t go to Dakota Creek ---
**Author:** ![injunear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e95f7d/32.png) [@injunear](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/injunear)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/26 "2018-10-21T03:59:08Z")
I guess things have changed. I dealt with them from 03 to 07 and was very pleased with their work on various projects. ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 11:52am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/27 "2018-10-21T11:52:17Z")
Sometimes a cloud really does have a silver lining. [https://www.maritimejournal.com/news101/industry-news/lloyd\_werft\_averts\_bankruptcy\_with\_pride\_of\_america\_repair](https://www.maritimejournal.com/news101/industry-news/lloyd_werft_averts_bankruptcy_with_pride_of_america_repair) ---
**Author:** ![Tugs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/tugs/32/158_2.png) [@Tugs](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tugs)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/28 "2018-10-21T12:53:49Z")
Back when I ran a Marine Electrical Repair Company (back in the 80’s), rule of thumb was anything that was submerged in Salt Water had to come out. If it was fresh water and we were able to get right onboard and being the process of cleaning and drying there was a chance to save some of the equipment. IIRC, ABS and the USCG wanted any and all wiring replaced after being submerged in salt water. There were some owners that tried to go cheap and not replace everything dnd those vessels got to be very well know for having grounds everywhere and were a PIA to work on as you ended up chasing grounds constantly. By looking a the few pictures available, she will be under repair for quite a while and I hope that the Owners get the vessel that they hope for and for the crews, I hope she’s repaired correctly because of not they’re going to be very busy chasing grounds. ---
**Author:** ![c.captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/c.captain/32/807_2.png) [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/29 "2018-10-21T15:21:34Z")
> [@injunear](#): > > I guess things have changed. I dealt with them from 03 to 07 and was very pleased with their work on various projects. I was being facetious referring to the ongoing bruha over the fact that DCI used some plate rolled in Europe in the hull of the newbuild factory AMERICA’S FINEST which has now caused the USCG to stoopidly not allow it a fisheries endorsement. DCI does fine work and builds a good ship. > [@Steamer](#): > > Sometimes a cloud really does have a silver lining. I don’t get it…now does the refit of the cruiseship PRIDE OF AMERICA in Germany relate to the AMERICA’S FINEST or the NORTH STAR? btw, what happened to the 50% tariff levied against a shipowner for having work done on a US flagged vessel in a foreign country? I guess that is lone gone? ---
**Author:** ![tugsailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9adbd/32.png) [@tugsailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tugsailor)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/30 "2018-10-21T16:10:34Z")
I’ve wondered about enforcement of the 50% tariff too. There seems to be quite a bit of smaller vessel work being done in Canada, Mexico, and the Caribbean. There may be a lot ways to play games with the tariff. Some work may simply not be reported, or underreported. Even with a 50% tariff, foreign yards are often going to be cheaper. ---
**Author:** ![c.captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/c.captain/32/807_2.png) [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/31 "2018-10-21T16:11:56Z")
> [@tugsailor](#): > > Even with a 50% tariff, foreign yards are often going to be cheaper. but in Germany? ---
**Author:** ![Steamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Steamer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Steamer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/32 "2018-10-21T17:59:05Z")
> [@c.captain](#): > > I don’t get it…now does the refit of the cruiseship PRIDE OR AMERICA in Germany relate to the AMERICA’S FINEST or the NORTH STAR? The repair work saved the yard from going bust. ---
**Author:** ![DamnYankee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/damnyankee/32/514_2.png) [@DamnYankee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/DamnYankee)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 7:33pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/33 "2018-10-21T19:33:30Z")
> [@c.captain](#): > > btw, what happened to the 50% tariff levied against a shipowner for having work done on a US flagged vessel in a foreign country? I guess that is lone gone? It is still a thing. They even updated the CBP form this year. Lloyd Werft is still in business but only maintains half of their yard space nowadays. They leased the rest to a company calling itself German Drydocks several years ago. ---
**Author:** ![dbeierl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dbeierl/32/11833_2.png) [@dbeierl](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/dbeierl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/34 "2018-10-21T20:11:16Z")
> [@Tugs](#): > > anything that was submerged in Salt Water had to come out. If it was fresh water and we were able to get right onboard and being the process of cleaning and drying there was a chance to save some of the equipment. Salt water is evil stuff. Few drops of drinking water near the clock battery of a laptop and you’ve got less time than it takes to open the case and unplug the clock battery to save the board, and that’s working fast with the tools right there and knowing how to open the case. Ask me how I know. ☹ I have a stereo microscope so I had a good view of the couple dozen eaten traces. Three days and six hundred bucks later had it back from the Thinkpad service depot with a new main board. ---
**Author:** ![c.captain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/c.captain/32/807_2.png) [@c.captain](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/c.captain)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/35 "2018-10-22T00:50:44Z")
> [@Steamer](#): > > The repair work saved the yard from going bust. great a US vessel saves a German yard from closing while how many US yards are ready to do the work? but let me guess that this happens to be the same yard which allowed this very vessel to sink when alongside the dock how many years ago? I simply love how the US flag has been sold to any ferner who ponies up the cash to get exclusive Congressional mandated and sanctioned monopolies on the business! ---
**Author:** ![tugsailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9adbd/32.png) [@tugsailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tugsailor)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/36 "2018-10-22T01:43:59Z")
As I understood it, the ship hull and superstructure was built in the US as Jones Act requires, but it taken foreign for finishing md fitting out, as Jones Act allows. Probably because no American yard has any modern cruise ship building experience. ---
**Author:** ![DamnYankee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/damnyankee/32/514_2.png) [@DamnYankee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/DamnYankee)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 2:38am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/37 "2018-10-22T02:38:54Z")
Lloyd Werft does specialize in finishing cruise ships. I’ve seen several of the Disney ships there over the years. They go there to get the “German” touch. ---
**Author:** ![ombugge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/ombugge/32/11217_2.png) [@ombugge](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ombugge)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/38 "2018-10-22T11:27:04Z")
Here is Disney Magic getting that “German Touch”: ![P1050765](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/gcaptain_maritime_forum/original/2X/0/0d7005e54bfbfc20c6d7f0ca53245307e3ab9542.jpeg) BTW: The Disney ships are all built in Italy I believe. ---
**Author:** ![DamnYankee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/damnyankee/32/514_2.png) [@DamnYankee](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/DamnYankee)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 11:45am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/39 "2018-10-22T11:45:35Z")
Wow. Disney’s Safety Management System is incredibly lax. Working over the side without a floatation device, using suspenders as a safety harness suspended on an open bale hook, paint overflowing out of those pales into the ocean below. Looks like a thorough audit is in order. ---
**Author:** ![dbeierl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dbeierl/32/11833_2.png) [@dbeierl](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/dbeierl)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497/40 "2018-10-22T11:54:29Z")
Yeah, the whole setup is goofy. [Previous page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/storm-tossed-trawler-hurricane-michael-capsizes-new-factory-trawler-north-star/49497.md?page=3)