I am a SUNY Maritime academy cadet. I am going for my 1600 coastal via the MTSVO course . Does the tonnage of the vessel need to be over 200 tons (GT or GRT)? Where can I find APPROVED COURSE REQ? Thank you
Ask your department head? Ask the school, not us!
[QUOTE=z-drive;110807]Ask your department head? Ask the school, not us![/QUOTE]
Patience Z drive. He is going to college for 4 years in order to pass a multiple choice exam that is available on line.
The answer is simple, and easy to find.
Let me guess, you want to go on a ATB?
Hey guys, just because you’re anonymous doesn’t give you a license to act like 12 year olds.
Can someone please help this cadet out?
[QUOTE=killian;110799]I am a SUNY Maritime academy cadet. I am going for my 1600 coastal via the MTSVO course . Does the tonnage of the vessel need to be over 200 tons (GT or GRT)? Where can I find APPROVED COURSE REQ? Thank you[/QUOTE]
Here’s the checklist from the NMC. Largest vessel just needs to be over 100 GRT:
I’ve talked with one license consultant who said it is possible to run an application through using GT rather than GRT tonnage. I.E, you can use ITC tonnage under certain conditions rather than domestic tonnage when you are on a vessel with dual tonnage. So if you are on a crewboat that has dual tonnage, such as 99 GRT and 340 ITC tonnage, you can use the higher ITC tonnage to satisfy the 100 ton requirement towards the Master 1600. A friend running crewboats overseas was able to do this.
It’s a 2 year associates degree program.
But yea you should talk with the faculty at the school. They should set that stuff up.
Here’s the rub guys, the “Sea Stories” run as rampant within the halls of the academies as they do on the boats. Sometimes the only way to get a straight answer is by referencing the CFR’s. Should they be able to ask one of their instructors and get a straight answer? Absolutely. But that’s not always the case. When I did my license program (AB to Mate) the course approval and requirements were on the CG website available for download. So I could verify for myself what I needed to do. I looked for them today and all the CG website does is link to SUNY’s site and the specific course approval information is not available there.
Aside from clarity and peace of mind for himself, the purpose behind Killian’s question concerns his pay. As a cadet they are paying him dirt, but another company was paying him better. After working for this other company for some time he was told that his time had to be on vessels over 200 GRT, which made no sense to me. Since the company he had been working for had NO vessels over 200 GRT, and a lull in work, he’s back here a McAllister making half of what he did as a Cadet the last time he was here. It’s not my place to say, but it’s disgusting.
I assured him he could get an answer here (I was hoping for Chief Cavo to weigh in on the topic), but that he was probably going to get a fair amount of crap at the same time… 
An instructor emailed him back and confirmed that the sea service DOES NOT need to be on vessels over 200 GRT, just 100 GRT. But it would still be nice to see if there isn’t some other source for obtaining what the approved course requirements are.
EDIT: And Water, Thank You for taking the time to link the checklist. Since the sea time requirements are typically reduced as part of an approved program, my concern was that increased tonnage was a tradeoff.
It’s normally 2/3 of the seatime required per the CFR, of which you are credited so many days for classes etc; if the CFR’s don’t require days over 200 for the license then there’s no way it’s an issue. It’s a shame the program info is no longer available.
That’s from my fuzzy memory so proceed with caution…
[QUOTE=killian;110799]I am a SUNY Maritime academy cadet. I am going for my 1600 coastal via the MTSVO course . Does the tonnage of the vessel need to be over 200 tons (GT or GRT)? Where can I find APPROVED COURSE REQ? Thank you[/QUOTE]
The MTSVO [B]program [/B](not a course) is approved for the Mate 1600 GRT license and STCW OICNW. It is a comprehensive program of all required sea aservice, training, and assessment. You should be doing what SUNY Maritime prosed in their approved curriculum. SUNY Maritime is supposed to be handling all these details. You need to talk to them.
[QUOTE=rob;110836]…Can someone please help this cadet out?[/QUOTE]
No one here will be of much help, he/she needs to talk to the school. This is an approved (all-inclusive) program and the school is supposed to be handling all these detailsl.
[QUOTE=Cal;110851]Here’s the rub guys, the “Sea Stories” run as rampant within the halls of the academies as they do on the boats. Sometimes the only way to get a straight answer is by referencing the CFR’s. Should they be able to ask one of their instructors and get a straight answer? Absolutely. But that’s not always the case. When I did my license program (AB to Mate) the course approval and requirements were on the CG website available for download. So I could verify for myself what I needed to do. I looked for them today and all the CG website does is link to SUNY’s site and the specific course approval information is not available there.
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I HATE that for some strange reason the CG website no longer allows you to see the schools approval. It is not some sort of great secret. They should bring that feature back. Allows mariners to determine if a course actually does what they need.
I always thought the requirements were in the CFRs and the Coast Guard just approved whether or not the school’s Curriculum met those requirements.
The OP Should really consult Captain Johansen, at Suny, about this though. I think he’s in charge of the limited tonnage program. Or Mr Posner, he’s the school’s license consultant. Just shoot either of them an Email.