# Sailing foreign flag? **URL:** \ **Category:** Maritime Employment\ **Created:** [January 10, 2010, 9:23am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126 "2010-01-10T09:23:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GLMAGRAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@GLMAGRAD](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/GLMAGRAD)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 9:23am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/1 "2010-01-10T09:23:46Z")
Hello all, I am a recent GLMA grad and I haven’t had any luck finding work. AMO told me they wouldn’t be able to get me a ship till June. I have been applying like mad but I haven’t heard peep. I am starting to get very hungary so I have become interested in sailing foreign flag until things turn around here in the US. Any suggestions on how to find foreign employment? Any good companies to look into? Any companies to stay away from? Just out of curiosity, as a Third Mate Unlimited what is the largest tonnage I can sail as master? (I was told Third Mate Unlimited would get me a 100 Ton Master but it is not printed on my ticket) Thanks, Chris ---
**Author:** ![Ordinaryseaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ordinaryseaman](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Ordinaryseaman)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 10:18am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/2 "2010-01-10T10:18:50Z")
[vmanpower.com](http://vmanpower.com) is the only good source I know of- No 3m spots listed at the moment. Have you thought of sailing as a mate on a lower tonnage vessel? I’ve known several CMA’ers who have started that way… ---
**Author:** ![GLMAGRAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@GLMAGRAD](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/GLMAGRAD)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 10:34am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/3 "2010-01-10T10:34:49Z")
I will try anything at this point. Thanks for the tip. Chris ---
**Author:** ![Ordinaryseaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ordinaryseaman](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Ordinaryseaman)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 11:03am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/4 "2010-01-10T11:03:37Z")
I forgot to say- check here too [http://www.vhospitality.net/recruitment\_services.html](http://www.vhospitality.net/recruitment_services.html) It’s part of the same company- but sometimes has other jobs listed. Vships was brought in to try to manage/save a former company of mine- I used to know some of their HR people- they are pretty good. You might look into small ship US flagged cruise lines… ---
**Author:** ![abergeron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7c8e57/32.png) [@abergeron](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/abergeron)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 11:41am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/5 "2010-01-10T11:41:56Z")
[quote=GLMAGRAD;24458]Hello all, I am a recent GLMA grad and I haven’t had any luck finding work. AMO told me they wouldn’t be able to get me a ship till June. I have been applying like mad but I haven’t heard peep. I am starting to get very hungary so I have become interested in sailing foreign flag until things turn around here in the US. Any suggestions on how to find foreign employment? Any good companies to look into? Any companies to stay away from? Just out of curiosity, as a Third Mate Unlimited what is the largest tonnage I can sail as master? (I was told Third Mate Unlimited would get me a 100 Ton Master but it is not printed on my ticket) Thanks, Chris[/quote] June? Yikes it may be time for the academies to dramatically shrink or suspend their deck departments for the time being. There is simply not enough work to go around anymore. ---
**Author:** ![richard8000milesaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@richard8000milesaway](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/richard8000milesaway)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 12:09pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/6 "2010-01-10T12:09:24Z")
you’re eligibile for a 100 ton master, but you must get it printed on your MMC. foreign flag is good. do you speak any other languages? ---
**Author:** ![GLMAGRAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@GLMAGRAD](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/GLMAGRAD)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 12:40pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/7 "2010-01-10T12:40:56Z")
How do I get that added? Is it like the sticker style endorsements for the MMC? I only speak two languages English and Bad English fortunately for me English is the language of the sea (yeah right). ---
**Author:** ![Shellback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Shellback](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Shellback)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 1:08pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/8 "2010-01-10T13:08:06Z")
By filling out a CG application, either on line or through one of the the RECs… Going through the checklist and providing all the info that is required,paying applicable fee’s…NMC evaluators should know that 3rd Mate has an automatic 100 ton Master equivilancy ,but just in case you may want to find the passage either in the CFR’s, Policy Letters or Marine Safety Manual,depending on where it is located and attach it with the app,just to help them out… [QUOTE=GLMAGRAD;24484]How do I get that added? Is it like the sticker style endorsements for the MMC? I only speak two languages English and Bad English fortunately for me English is the language of the sea (yeah right).[/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Anonymous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_anonymous/32/1579_2.png) [@Capt\_Anonymous](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 1:10pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/9 "2010-01-10T13:10:56Z")
[QUOTE=richard8000milesaway;24482]you’re eligibile for a 100 ton master, but you must get it printed on your MMC.[/QUOTE] Yes he is, and no, you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Shellback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Shellback](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Shellback)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 1:14pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/10 "2010-01-10T13:14:20Z")
[QUOTE=Capt\_Anonymous;24487]Yes he is, and no, you don’t.[/QUOTE] You don’t have to have it on your MMC? Is that because it’s inherent to the license already held? Is this one of those ink saving tactics?? ---
**Author:** ![richard8000milesaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@richard8000milesaway](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/richard8000milesaway)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/11 "2010-01-10T14:04:42Z")
capt A is correct: it does not have to be printed on your MMC to actually exist, but knowing this industry (and the state of this industry right now) my suggestion would be to go ahead and get it printed. there’s no reason to suppose that an HR person will know that you have that license unless it is printed on your MMC. that’s my opinion though. ---
**Author:** ![Shellback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Shellback](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Shellback)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 2:08pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/12 "2010-01-10T14:08:30Z")
I second your opinion…It would also be handy to have the regulation that states that,which I am embarrassed to say I have not been able to locate this evening…I know I have read it in the past,but damned if I can find it… ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Anonymous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/capt_anonymous/32/1579_2.png) [@Capt\_Anonymous](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Anonymous)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/13 "2010-01-10T14:09:41Z")
[QUOTE=Shellback;24489]You don’t have to have it on your MMC? Is that because it’s inherent to the license already held? Is this one of those ink saving tactics??[/QUOTE] Uh huh. They’ve never printed it on a 3/M license but it has always been part of that license, as well as part of 1600 Mate. ---
**Author:** ![Ordinaryseaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ordinaryseaman](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Ordinaryseaman)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 3:06pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/14 "2010-01-10T15:06:03Z")
> [@Capt\_Anonymous;24494](#): > > Uh huh. They’ve never printed it on a 3/M license but it has always been part of that license, as well as part of 1600 Mate. Hey- I learned something useful- thanks C\_A! Another reason to try (again) to get into PMII- you get a 100 ton masters- as well as Mate 1600 NC and mate 500 Oceans:) ---
**Author:** ![Shellback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Shellback](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Shellback)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/15 "2010-01-10T15:43:02Z")
Call me skeptical I guess, it seems to me that a company has an immediate need for a 100 Ton Master, there happen to be 2 candidates in the office all packed and ready to go…One guy has an MMC with 100 Ton master NC and the other has 3 rd Mate Unl…The HR guy/gal is in a bind,doesn’t know all the requirements and equivalencies and doesn’t have time to deal with it…Who do you think is gonna get the job? ---
**Author:** ![dougpine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/dougpine/32/7653_2.png) [@dougpine](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/dougpine)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/16 "2010-01-10T15:45:13Z")
Well of course, Shellback. It isn’t supposed to make sense now is it? ---
**Author:** ![mslilith2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee7513/32.png) [@mslilith2000](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/mslilith2000)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/17 "2010-01-10T16:32:08Z")
> [@Shellback;24497](#): > > Call me skeptical I guess, it seems to me that a company has an immediate need for a 100 Ton Master, there happen to be 2 candidates in the office all packed and ready to go…One guy has an MMC with 100 Ton master NC and the other has 3 rd Mate Unl…The HR guy/gal is in a bind,doesn’t know all the requirements and equivalencies and doesn’t have time to deal with it…Who do you think is gonna get the job? Shellback, supposedly the HR folks are supposed to know the requirements and equivalencies. I can’t say this is always true but some HR jobs can pay quite well and the companies require some sort of sea-going experience in order to apply for those HR jobs. I wish they all did that. It would solve a lot of misunderstandings. K. ---
**Author:** ![Jeffrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea5d25/32.png) [@Jeffrox](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Jeffrox)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/sailing-foreign-flag/3126/18 "2010-01-10T19:23:51Z")
Hit 'em in the face with this: [B]Title 46: Shipping [/B][PART 15—MANNING REQUIREMENTS](http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title46/46-1.0.1.2.14.html) [Subpart H—Equivalents](http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title46/46-1.0.1.2.14.8.html) [Browse Next](http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title46/46-1.0.1.2.14.8.7.2.html) [B]§ 15.901 Inspected vessels of less than 100 gross tons.[/B] U An individual holding a license as mate or pilot of inspected, self-propelled vessels of over 200 gross tons is authorized to serve as master on inspected vessels of less than 100 gross tons within any restrictions on the individual’s license. /U An individual holding a license authorizing service as master or mate of inspected, self-propelled vessels is authorized to serve as master or mate, respectively, of non-self-propelled vessels other than sail vessels, within any restrictions on the individual’s license. © An individual holding a license authorizing service as master or mate of inspected, sail vessels is authorized to serve as master or mate, respectively, of other non-self-propelled vessels, within any restrictions on the individual’s license. (d) An individual holding a license authorizing service as master or mate of inspected, auxiliary sail vessels, is authorized to serve as master or mate, respectively, of self-propelled and non-self-propelled vessels, within any restrictions on the individual’s license. [CGD 81–059, 54 FR 150, Jan. 4, 1989] \