# Pro's and Con's of working for Vane....? **URL:** \ **Category:** Professional Mariner Forum\ **Created:** [April 11, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091 "2013-04-11T21:43:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BargeMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BargeMonkey](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BargeMonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/1 "2013-04-11T21:43:51Z")
Just wondering, I know the pay isn’t the hottest, just wanted to know what you guys think. Have a captain near me at home that keeps busting on me to go down there with him, but 429 plus 10% just isn’t doing it. Anyone really like it down there, on the tug side ? ---
**Author:** ![NYBoatman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/41988e/32.png) [@NYBoatman](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/NYBoatman)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:30pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/2 "2013-04-11T22:30:27Z")
Dont do it bro… ---
**Author:** ![Bayrunner](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/bayrunner/32/966_2.png) [@Bayrunner](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Bayrunner)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:59pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/3 "2013-04-11T22:59:01Z")
> [@"NYBoatman"](#): > > Dont do it bro… Why not? Whats wrong with VB? ---
**Author:** ![NYBoatman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/41988e/32.png) [@NYBoatman](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/NYBoatman)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 11:07pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/4 "2013-04-11T23:07:06Z")
> [@"Bayrunner"](#): > > Why not? Whats wrong with VB? Cause VB doesnt pay that well ---
**Author:** ![Tugted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@Tugted](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Tugted)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/5 "2013-04-12T04:36:06Z")
> [@"NYBoatman"](#): > > Cause VB doesnt pay that well Or travel. ---
**Author:** ![z-drive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c37758/32.png) [@z-drive](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/z-drive)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/6 "2013-04-12T05:25:22Z")
Everyone else has pins, and you won’t… Unless you like being weatherbound, asking ferries to slow down, etc. They seem to ‘frown’ upon pilots and assist boats too. ---
**Author:** ![CurryAK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CurryAK](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/CurryAK)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 8:05am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/7 "2013-04-12T08:05:06Z")
Not “everyone else” has pins 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Clear\_Solution](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Clear\_Solution](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Clear_Solution)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 8:08am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/8 "2013-04-12T08:08:03Z")
So no pins, the company expects you to be able to dock the damn thing on your own and they don’t pay travel??? That’s it??? Well cry me a river… ---
**Author:** ![BargeMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BargeMonkey](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BargeMonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:00am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/9 "2013-04-12T10:00:18Z")
Would anyone have Tom Lamm’s direct number, or even his extension, im getting no where with their general #. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![z-drive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c37758/32.png) [@z-drive](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/z-drive)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:19am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/10 "2013-04-12T10:19:46Z")
[QUOTE=Clear Solution;105425]So no pins, the company expects you to be able to dock the damn thing on your own and they don’t pay travel??? That’s it??? [/QUOTE] Not a pilot necessarily for docking…but these guys i see often push the recency thing so hard that if they get in a jam it won’t be funny. I’ve had Vane guys regularly ask me some very foolish questions you’d know if you went somewhere once, nevermind 12 times. As far as pins go, its just a comparison to the other northeast operators these days. Bouchard, Kirby and Reinauer only have a very small portion of their fleets without them, and for a reason. A nice thing is having tankermen though. ---
**Author:** ![Goirish44](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@Goirish44](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Goirish44)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:38am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/11 "2013-04-12T10:38:14Z")
I was on an ROS vessel in Philly up till last week and would see Vane constantly. They seem like a pretty busy company outta Philly. Are they just out of that area or are they all north east? Also non union?? ---
**Author:** ![PaddyWest2012](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/paddywest2012/32/2405_2.png) [@PaddyWest2012](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/PaddyWest2012)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:42am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/12 "2013-04-12T10:42:37Z")
Vane’s got those two Atlantic III class pin tugs, the Christiana and the Brandywine, at least they’re making an effort. I’d like to think we’ll see some more of that in their fleet before too long but maybe in building those two they decided they still like the old way better. Who knows… ---
**Author:** ![kfj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ebca7d/32.png) [@kfj](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/kfj)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:48am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/13 "2013-04-12T10:48:38Z")
[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;105438]Vane’s got those two Atlantic III class pin tugs, the Christiana and the Brandywine, at least they’re making an effort. I’d like to think we’ll see some more of that in their fleet before too long but maybe in building those two they decided they still like the old way better. Who knows…[/QUOTE] They have built a ton of wire boats after those 2 ATBs were built… ---
**Author:** ![BargeMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BargeMonkey](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/BargeMonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:13am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/14 "2013-04-12T11:13:51Z")
They treated me like a human being on the phone, ive got to say, maybe speaking “Tangier-nese” wont be so bad… LOL They said they plan on building more pinned units, big pay diff between the wire boats and pin units. ---
**Author:** ![Bayrunner](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.gcaptain.com/bayrunner/32/966_2.png) [@Bayrunner](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Bayrunner)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:22am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/15 "2013-04-12T11:22:59Z")
One thing about VB I liked was the fact that you got a call back from them even if they didnt have any openings. I applied there several times a few years back and each time Tom would call me or someone else would. ---
**Author:** ![Smooth\_Sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Smooth\_Sailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Smooth_Sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 1:06pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/16 "2013-04-12T13:06:46Z")
Hear that the paying H&B suck, but otherwise it seems pretty nice that one gets an opportunity to handle vessels without a pilot. Tom’s called me a couple times since I first applied a few years ago to see if I’d be available, but since I’ve been comfortable with another outfit. So at least it seems they keep your file on hand for a while if you’ve experience/documentation. 1600 ton MOT & Tankerman’s PIC come in handy as well! Speaking of Tankerman’s PIC… when the going ever gets tough & there’s layoffs with not many other options, a PIC will be a golden ticket! Be sure you can manually strip a barge too. And $400+ a day is great compared with most shore jobs (\*note: I’m unsure of the going rate for barge captains/mates for VB). Living above that you’ll probably develop into some snobby rich b!tch anyway. \*opinion ---
**Author:** ![Averof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Averof](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Averof)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/17 "2013-04-12T15:28:54Z")
> [@"Smooth Sailor"](#): > > Hear that the paying H&B suck, but otherwise it seems pretty nice that one gets an opportunity to handle vessels without a pilot. Tom’s called me a couple times since I first applied a few years ago to see if I’d be available, but since I’ve been comfortable with another outfit. So at least it seems they keep your file on hand for a while if you’ve experience/documentation. 1600 ton MOT & Tankerman’s PIC come in handy as well! Speaking of Tankerman’s PIC… when the going ever gets tough & there’s layoffs with not many other options, a PIC will be a golden ticket! Be sure you can manually strip a barge too. And $400+ a day is great compared with most shore jobs (\*note: I’m unsure of the going rate for barge captains/mates for VB). > Living above that you’ll probably develop into some snobby rich b!tch anyway. \*opinion Smooth Sailor… You’re the rich bitch, shopping at Jared’s. ---
**Author:** ![Smooth\_Sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Smooth\_Sailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Smooth_Sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/18 "2013-04-12T15:31:34Z")
It’s just drill-pressed stainless steel, I swear! ---
**Author:** ![cappy208](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7cd45c/32.png) [@cappy208](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/cappy208)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 5:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/19 "2013-04-12T17:41:48Z")
> [@"Smooth Sailor"](#): > > It’s just drill-pressed stainless steel, I swear! Where do you live that you can afford to raise a family, have a decent home life and save for retirement all on 72grand a year??? With the trailer park boys! ---
**Author:** ![NYBoatman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/41988e/32.png) [@NYBoatman](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/NYBoatman)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091/20 "2013-04-12T19:03:18Z")
> [@"cappy208"](#): > > Where do you live that you can afford to raise a family, have a decent home life and save for retirement all on 72grand a year??? With the trailer park boys! Move in with bubbles!! [Next page](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/pros-and-cons-of-working-for-vane/10091.md?page=2)