# Oilfield to ships
**URL:** https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997
**Category:** Professional Mariner Forum
**Created:** [July 13, 2020, 12:46pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997 "2020-07-13T12:46:18Z")
**Posts on this page:** 19
**Page:** 4
### Author:  [@Hawespiper5](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hawespiper5)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 2:36am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/62 "2020-07-25T02:36:10Z")
> [@BeerCaptain](#):
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> Typical Hawespiper comments. They’re all the same story: “What I did was harder” “school of hard knocks” “you had a school to teach you everything” blah blah blah.
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> You’re no better than anyone else. There’s shit academy mates and shit Hawespipers. Believing that 3 academy cruises and a cadet cruise fully prepares you to sail third mate on your first hitch is ignorant and further proves that you just don’t have a grasp on the system. I really am mind boggled at the idea that you think a recent grad would be prepared after that. You must not have a lot of experience?
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> You remind me of the last shitty Hawespiper captain I had. Gotta throw out the “you went to an academy you should know” card every chance you get, when it turns out YOU didn’t know how to do it so you gotta throw the blame somewhere else.
And I am “mind boggled” whatever that means at your comprehension of the discussion. You don’t know me or my background so stereotyping me as a “typical hawespiper” well ain’t so accurate.
1. My background is far from a typical hawespiper. Look at my Avatar and see if you can figure out why. Not better, just different.
2. I have a favorable opinion of Academy types yet you somehow have me as the Nasty Hawespiper vs. Academy. Couldn’t be more wrong.
3. Where did I ever say an Academy Grad is fully prepared to stand a first job? I took issue with New 3M saying it was “way, way, way above his head.” Big difference. The majority of Academy types I’ve met are pretty sharp and I have confidence they wouldn’t be as challenged as New 3M was on their first trip. Never said fully prepared
If you wanna challenge me go for it but why don’t you get your facts straight first.
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### Author:  [@Hawespiper5](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Hawespiper5)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/63 "2020-07-25T02:44:29Z")
> [@DamnYankee](#):
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> You guys are really working overtime to get this thread shut down
I let New 3M have the last word. I moved on. I was complementing Capt. Phoenix when he decided to f with me again. That said, I’ll waive a white flag as of now.
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### Author:  [@Gofast](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Gofast)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/64 "2020-07-25T03:38:37Z")
We are required a licensed engineer. From a conversation I had with NMC this fills the requirement.
Also our coi requires a licensed officer or mmc endorsed with tankerman/pic
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### Author:  [@Gofast](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Gofast)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 3:40am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/65 "2020-07-25T03:40:18Z")
I’m not here to argue hawsepiper or academy. This is more about if you were a newer 3M looking where you would look and potentially what type of rotations you guys are doing. No need to argue over the information im asking for.
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### Author:  [@coldduck](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/coldduck)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 1:41pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/66 "2020-07-25T13:41:43Z")
Every fuel oil and hazardous cargo transfer on an OSV requires a licensed officer to act as the PIC and conduct the transfer.
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### Author:  [@tengineer1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tengineer1)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/67 "2020-07-25T14:23:31Z")
Does the USCG require the licensed officer on the OSV to hold tankerman PIC endorsement on his MMC?
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### Author:  [@coldduck](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/coldduck)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/68 "2020-07-25T14:36:15Z")
Not required.
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### Author:  [@tengineer1](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tengineer1)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 2:49pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/69 "2020-07-25T14:49:01Z")
Kinda strange. They transfer some serious fluids at sea, fuel, methanol and various drilling fluids all of which require even truck drivers to have Hazmat certification prior to transporting. Any idea why tankerman PIC is not required of the OSV officers?
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### Author:  [@coldduck](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/coldduck)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/70 "2020-07-25T15:11:07Z")
I’m sure some kind of loophole from days passed. COI’s state that a licensed officer must act as PIC during transfers.
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### Author:  [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/71 "2020-07-25T15:17:46Z")
Gofast, hopefully you gained some bankable information from this site. More often than not, the threads become off the original question and posters get off the original subject. Some giving helpful information, some not so much than to tout their position on other things which are rather predictable over the few years I have participated on this pretty decent site. I think you will be fine to make the switch if you can due to the decreasing opportunities in your present field. It will not be an easy transition, due to present conditions in all shipping, but doable. You are smart to at least look at other options in the maritime field. I wish you nothing but the best outcome. Fair winds and following seas sir.
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### Author:  [@Gofast](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Gofast)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 3:35pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/72 "2020-07-25T15:35:03Z")
Thank you. I’ve definitely received some valuable information. Just trying to do my due diligence and see where the best opportunity is.
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### Author:  [@Capt\_Phoenix](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Capt_Phoenix)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/73 "2020-07-25T16:58:47Z")
> [@coldduck](#):
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> requires a licensed officer to act as the PIC
I don’t remember ever seeing that on a COI but I never specifically looked for it. I think this was a recent rule change because it used to be that you could only get a PIC on a vessel with a COI for carrying dangerous liquids as cargo, which OSVs aren’t.
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### Author:  [@tugsailor](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/tugsailor)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/74 "2020-07-25T23:19:22Z")
It use to be, back in the 80s at least, that any licensed officer could served as PIC. We rarely had unlicensed ratings with a Tankerman endorsement. I routinely pumped tank barges.
I’m not sure when the rule changed.
The USCG requires these little 50 foot mini tankers that fuel yachts to be inspected under Subchapter D and carry Tankerman. I’ve always thought that was excessive. But the OSVs delivering large quantities of fuel to drill rigs do Not have to be inspected under Subchapter D or have Tankerman. Go figure.
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### Author:  [@SeaEagle](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/SeaEagle)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2020, 6:10am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/75 "2020-07-26T06:10:44Z")
Tankerman endorsement was not that hard to obtain if needed.
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### Author:  [@jdcavo](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/jdcavo)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/76 "2020-07-26T14:22:22Z")
> [@tugsailor](#):
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> I’m not sure when the rule changed.
[1995](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/1995/04/04/95-8123/qualifications-for-tankermen-and-for-persons-in-charge-of-transfers-of-dangerous-liquids-and).
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### Author:  [@ITOIL](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ITOIL)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2020, 2:07am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/77 "2020-07-27T02:07:47Z")
The only ones I know of are those big HOS mud boats, but I really don’t think you can get the PIC onboard an OSV. Still would like to see a COI that requires it
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### Author:  [@Gofast](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/Gofast)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2020, 8:28am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/78 "2020-07-27T08:28:21Z")
Ours requires it. Either a licensed officer or tankerman/pic.
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### Author:  [@NH\_Domer](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/NH_Domer)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2020, 9:00am UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/79 "2020-07-27T09:00:36Z")
Great Expectations?
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### Author:  [@ITOIL](https://forum.gcaptain.com/u/ITOIL)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/oilfield-to-ships/55997/80 "2020-07-27T18:55:00Z")
Then take full advantage of that. It is pretty sad that one can get it on an OSV, but yet on a DrillShip or MODU, they are not able to get the PIC. Unless its the TOI ships with the COW systems.
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